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mds said:

25 is over the hill?

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agreed... sessions hasn't even hit his prime basketball years yet!

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abraxas said:

I can't understand what some folks on here expect from this team. The word for the season is REBUILD. The fact that we're having conversations about 8th seed is a bonus, and irrelevant because it's highly unlikely we end up there.

Sessions is desired by many teams around the league and would be a great fit for many contending teams as a back-up PG and spot starter. He's a valuable asset for us. Manny Harris putting up big numbers in D-League while teams watch him doing it. What does that say? You want to get rid of a valuable asset and quality PG in this league for a guy that not one team is picking up?

Folks need to calm down and find the silver linings as we spend another season or two reworking this entire team. As I've said before, in 2 years from now, I'm guessing only 3-4 guys from this year's team will remain.

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What is the point of a correlation between Ramon and Manny? The two do not need to be dependant/reliant upon the other's status with the team. The FO could bring Manny back while Sessions is still here. Who the hell ever said that Manny's arrival is a preface to the trading of Sessions? The two don't even play the same position. I really have no idea what the hell point you are trying to make here. Ramon will be gone sometime between today and the start of next season regardless of any trades or signings the team makes.

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SmknJoe7 said:

What is the point of a correlation between Ramon and Manny?

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In my mind, the main line of thought goes like this:
1) The team wants to trade Sessions
2) If they trade Sessions, it will likely be to a team that needs a PG, so it's unlikely that the Cavs will get a PG back in the trade
3) So since the Cavs would need another guard with PG skills, they should use the 15th spot of the roster for a guy like Uzoh instead of Manny

Corroborating points are:
1) Keeping Uzoh off the free agent market raises Sessions trade value
2) Pairing Irving with a guard that can defend either spot like Uzoh is probably better for winning than pairing Irving with Manny, who can't defend either position
3) It doesn't make sense to burn $400,000 to waive one of the other min salary guys to bring on Manny. There will be better ways to burn that money next summer.

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Douglar said:

In my mind, the main line of thought goes like this:
1) The team wants to trade Sessions
2) If they trade Sessions, it will likely be to a team that needs a PG, so it's unlikely that the Cavs will get a PG back in the trade
3) So since the Cavs would need another guard with PG skills, they should use the 15th spot of the roster for a guy like Uzoh instead of Manny

Corroborating points are:
1) Keeping Uzoh off the free agent market raises Sessions trade value
2) Pairing Irving with a guard that can defend either spot like Uzoh is probably better for winning than pairing Irving with Manny, who can't defend either position
3) It doesn't make sense to burn $400,000 to waive one of the other min salary guys to bring on Manny. There will be better ways to burn that money next summer.

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Ya, I get all that and don't disagree a bit. My point of contention is that there is absolutely no point in keeping Harangody on this roster. Zero. He's a stiff, regardless of position or need, has around 450k or so left on a deal, has shown us all we need to see, and has zero hope of offering this team anything of value either now or the future. he's a waste of a roster spot at a point of this process where Manny could really use a look. We need to know if Manny has the capability of providing us depth at SG, a position of weakness on this roster. I have yet to hear anyone give me a good reason why this scenario isn't feasible or sensible. You keep Manny on 10 day contracts as long as possible until he makes or breaks himself. Same can be said for Uzoh at PG.

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Douglar said:

In my mind, the main line of thought goes like this:
1) The team wants to trade Sessions . . . Agreed
2) If they trade Sessions, it will likely be to a team that needs a PG, so it's unlikely that the Cavs will get a PG back in the trade . . . Agreed
3) So since the Cavs would need another guard with PG skills, they should use the 15th spot of the roster for a guy like Uzoh instead of Manny . . . Disagree . . .why keep Haragoddy and samuels on the roster. I'd cut Luke. we need a backcourt depth more than frontcourt filler

Corroborating points are:
1) Keeping Uzoh off the free agent market raises Sessions trade value . . . Disagree - don't see how keeping Uzoh raises Sessions value????
2) Pairing Irving with a guard that can defend either spot like Uzoh is probably better for winning than pairing Irving with Manny, who can't defend either position . . . Disagree . . . I don't see how Uzoh has proven himslef to be a uber defender and Manny that lesser in comparison
3) It doesn't make sense to burn $400,000 to waive one of the other min salary guys to bring on Manny. There will be better ways to burn that money next summer. . . . Disagree . . . . we have a HUGE hole at SG and no one in the DLeague is tearing things up at the 2 more than Manny. I'd rather burn 400K to give manny another shot than confirm what we have in Luke

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SmknJoe7 said:

Ya, I get all that and don't disagree a bit. My point of contention is that there is absolutely no point in keeping Harangody on this roster. Zero. He's a stiff, regardless of position or need, has around 450k or so left on a deal, has shown us all we need to see, and has zero hope of offering this team anything of value either now or the future. he's a waste of a roster spot at a point of this process where Manny could really use a look. We need to know if Manny has the capability of providing us depth at SG, a position of weakness on this roster. I have yet to hear anyone give me a good reason why this scenario isn't feasible or sensible. You keep Manny on 10 day contracts as long as possible until he makes or breaks himself. Same can be said for Uzoh at PG.

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makes sense to me

I don't how we are labeling Uzoh as a keeper while ignoring Manny's contribution where we don't have and true 2's on the roster

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The real mystery is not why Manny Harris is not on the team or why Uzoh is on the team but rather why Harangody is on the team!

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Stop bashing Harongody. Every team needs a Mark Madsen when they win a championship. I want to see a white man dance.

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I have no problem bringing Harris back but don't see it as a must move. There are things that we don't see and info we don't have access to. We all know the Cavs value character and we don't know if there are questions there regarding certain players. If you're a bench player who might not see regular minutes you have to accept your role and still work hard and do what's asked in practice. Some player accept this more than others. Not saying these are problems with Harris but just that there are always issues and questions that we don't have access to.
I would keep Uzoh. I do think he can have a role here and he is a player who will accept that role.

Harris did put up his big numbers in a 136-113 game and a 135-132 game. I don't think we'll be seeing any wide open high scoring games like those anytime soon with the Cavs. Harris did also shoot 37.4% with the Cavs last year and wasn't exactly a lock down defender.

Again, I have no problem bringing him back and think it would be a solid move. Maybe there are reasons he hasn't been brought back though.

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NarlCavs said:

Harris did also shoot 37.4% with the Cavs last year and wasn't exactly a lock down defender.

Again, I have no problem bringing him back and think it would be a solid move. Maybe there are reasons he hasn't been brought back though.

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I don't think its fair to solely judge a player JUST on last years performance, Gee was thrust into a role before he was ready and look how he has worked on his game and blossomed this year.

I just want manny to get the same opportunity as I feel he has made similar strides

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CavsFanLA said:

I don't think its fair to solely judge a player JUST on last years performance, Gee was thrust into a role before he was ready and look how he has worked on his game and blossomed this year.

I just want manny to get the same opportunity as I feel he has made similar strides

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I agree. The Cavs wanted Manny to work on certain aspects of his game over the summer...ball handling, finishing and getting stronger. He was asked by the club to go to Canton so the Cavs could "monitor" his progress. He agreed. The club had its reasons and Manny had his for this arrangement.

I've read a lot of criticism on Manny on these pages and he is far from being an all-star, to be sure. But, on a club with nary a 10 ppg wing scorer, it is a mystery to me why the Cavs don't give Manny another look.

He wasn't an efficient scorer last year and his shot selection was terrible at times but he was an undrafted rookie on a team that lost 26 games in a row. He did, however, average 11.3 ppg as a starter and had three games in which he scored 20 points or better with a season high of 27. That indicates to me some potential that ought to be explored...especially after his play in the D-League.

Right now, this is Manny's stat line: 21.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.3 apg, 1.65 spg, 47.0 FG%, 40.9 3P% and 85.7 FT%. That to me shows enough promise for the Cavs to take another look. Let's determine if there is a future for Manny here or not. Let's see if he improved his game. The D-League gave us Alonzo Gee and he has been a godsend after a summer of hard work. Let's find out if we can score with Manny.

Jeremy Lin is proof of what can happen when you don't take a good look a player. Now, the Rockets and Warriors are left with egg on their respective faces. I would hate for that to be the Cavs when all it would cost us is a 10-day contract or an NBA minimum contract.

Who should go if we bring Manny back? Ben Uzoh? Luke Harangody? There are lot of factors that play into this decision including a possible trade of Ramon Sessions. Hell, I don't know...that's why GM Chris Grant makes the big bucks. General Managers are paid to evaluate these matters and make solid decisions and Grant is going to have to figure this thing out sooner or later. He needs to get it right.

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hartwill said:

Who should go if we bring Manny back? . . . . Ben Uzoh?

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Uzoh's option was not picked for another 10 days .

I'd rather have Manny start at the 2 or backup Gee than having Kyrie playing off the ball with Sessions playing PG !!!!!!

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Looks like he might be coming back very soon. Surprised Uzoh wasn't kept around but with Sessions here for close to another month and Gibson likely back Tuesday there just isn't as big a need for a PG now. At least Uzoh got his feet wet with the Cavs and the system if the time comes that they do need another PG.
Harris is definitely worth bringing back. I have nothing against him but also have reasonable expectations for what he can bring.

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Interesting that Tom Reed, Jason Lloyd and Sam The Bullshit Whisperer all feel that Manny Harris will not be signed to fill the open roster spot.