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C.J. Miles signs with Cavs ($2M/year, 2nd year is team option)

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Re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Dog said:
I get what you're saying, but I don't think they are as big of factors as you think. Sure money is a motivator, but it never stops being a motivator. The more a player progresses throughout the course of his career the more money he is bound to make.

And I agree college coaches do have certain types of leverage, but it's all in how you look at it. NBA coaches possess certain powers too in regards to working with these guys.

I just think the "he'd be better had he went to college argument" is overused and under proven. It all depends on the player. Alonzo Gee spent four years in college, but it's the strides he has made in the NBA that make him a coveted basketball player.

I don't think the pretend C.J. Miles that went to college for two years would be any more valuable than the actual C.J. Miles who didn't.

EDIT: But what do I know, I'm just a center fielder for the Oakland A's.
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He has been in the league for 7 years now. Some will argue that college not only helps out rounding a players game but also lets them experience a role they might not get in the NBa which gives them familiarity and confidence with that role.


I think though that CJ is well beyond the point where not playing college impacts his game.
 
Re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Dog said:
I get what you're saying, but I don't think they are as big of factors as you think. Sure money is a motivator, but it never stops being a motivator. The more a player progresses throughout the course of his career the more money he is bound to make.
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Sure, some players are motivated to keep achieving bigger and bigger paychecks, but if that's their primary focus they're going to try to get the most bang for the buck per se and try to become a better scorer. If they can score some fool GM will pay them a lot more than if they can set solid screens.

Dog said:
And I agree college coaches do have certain types of leverage, but it's all in how you look at it. NBA coaches possess certain powers too in regards to working with these guys.
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The potential is certainly there and teams will drill certain skills constantly in their practices, but it seems to me a player has to go the extra step and get additional 1v1 time with an assistant if they really want to improve significantly in an area.

Dog said:
I just think the "he'd be better had he went to college argument" is overused and under proven. It all depends on the player. Alonzo Gee spent four years in college, but it's the strides he has made in the NBA that make him a coveted basketball player.
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Alonzo went undrafted, so he's really a good example for my case that a player who hasn't yet gotten paid and has no money talent is going to be much more highly motivated at working hard to improve his game. Let's see if that sticks after he earns his first guaranteed multi-year contract.

Dog said:
I don't think the pretend C.J. Miles that went to college for two years would be any more valuable than the actual C.J. Miles who didn't.
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Well, we do agree that it all depends on the player, so in Miles case we can't say for sure. Heck, not many HS players enter the draft if they think they're going to fall to the 2nd round unless they have a hardship situation, lack the grades, or just have no interest in going.

Dog said:
EDIT: But what do I know, I'm just a center fielder for the Oakland A's.
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Assuming you're not BS'ing ... I do think MLB is completely different than the NBA in terms of player development, skills, and the sport itself. What they do have in common are guaranteed contracts.
 
metalman213 said:
Cant be worse than assfingers.
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I think they will be equally disliked. I'm very happy that the 2nd year is not fully guaranteed. This year is tank 3 of 3, so I don't care if we re-sign Darius Miles and Dajuan Wagner at this point, as long as it's just this season.

Next season we will have gaggles of payroll flexibility, where the only guys under control are part of the core. Awesome situation.
 
CleveRocks said:
I think he is over 35 starts.

In thinking about it, our best starting lineup is probably both Miles and Gee. Both are definitive swingmen and decent defenders at the wing. Both have some decent range, but neither is going to best Dion long run.

Start Kyrie, Gee, Miles, TT and AV. Good defense, not so much offense.

Bring Waiters, Samardo ,Zeller and Leuer in and out as needed for matchups and offense.. All offensive players

Harangody would have to kill it to get time, Kellena is a possibility if he has anything left in his legs, Pargo is purely garbage time entertainment. Sloan and Boobie would have to have excellent years to see the floor.

Casspi could see time, just depends. If Gee or Miles screws up, or get injured he plugs into the three spot. Jones is practice bait.

The roster we have could sniff the eighth seed. It is better by some than last years team. But we need a real small forward to really make it go, and I think Gee and Miles are each half as good as we would need. Of course Scott is the wild card as he could make something from nothing, but that's the way I see it. For us to get Bynum, it would only happen if we lose AV in the deal. I have a hard time giving up Zeller in that deal, because we need bench depth at center anyway. If we manage to land Bynum, it will be because we gave up picks to get him. I wonder if it would be smarter to take a shot t him in free agency.
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Absolutely. This team can vie for the 8th seed. esp if they get anything out of Waiters.
 
There are a few great quotes in the Bob Finnan article:

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2012/08/10/sports/nh5843935.txt?viewmode=default

Cavaliers general manager Chris Grant had almost convinced himself free agent C.J. Miles would be signing elsewhere.

After all, he was being pursued by the Lakers, the Rockets and a few other teams.

"I didn't think he was a candidate for us," Grant said Thursday at the Cavaliers luncheon at Executive Caterers at Landerhaven in Lyndhurst. "I thought he would go to a different place. He kept coming back to us. He said, ‘I want to be here.' It's a place he can jump-start his career."

The Cavs signed the 6-foot-6, 222-pound Miles to a two-year, $4 million contract on Wednesday. The second year of the deal is not guaranteed, a source confirmed.


Cavs coach Byron Scott said Miles will compete for a starting job.

"If you look at our team, Kyrie (Irving) and Andy (Varejao) are the only starters," he said. "Tristan (Thompson), C.J. and Dion (Waiters) will have to earn it."

Scott was pleased with the addition of Miles.

"He's a guy I really like," he said. "I like the way he plays. I always thought he was a guy who could do more. I envisioned him playing multiple positions, the ‘2' and the ‘3.' I'm very excited about that pickup.

"The kid said he wanted to play for me. I thought that was important. He's at the point in his career where he was ready for a change. I think right now he's hungry enough to prove people wrong."
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"If you look at our team, Kyrie (Irving) and Andy (Varejao) are the only starters," he said. "Tristan (Thompson), C.J. and Dion (Waiters) will have to earn it."
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There's no mention of Gee. But perhaps that is logical, given his contract status.
 
RikSmits said:
There's no mention of Gee. But perhaps that is logical, given his contract status.
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Read the entire article, Grant goes on to call Gee the next priority. I just included the first third or so. I do think it is interesting that Scott listed five players in that quote, omitting Zeller, Casspi, and others. I wonder if he subconsciously has a starting five in his mind and he just gave it away.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Read the entire article, Grant goes on to call Gee the next priority. I just included the first third or so. I do think it is interesting that Scott listed five players in that quote, omitting Zeller, Casspi, and others. I wonder if he subconsciously has a starting five in his mind and he just gave it away.
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It seems like that's exactly the case from that quote. Kyrie, Dion, CJ, Tristan, Andy is obviously the starting 5 that Scott wants to start the season with..he's just hoping that the middle three come out with a chip on their shoulder to earn the starting gig.

The 4-5 spacing is a little concerning but I think Zeller will eventually work himself into the starting unit as the season progresses. I remember another quote where Byron accidentally slipped in saying something like "Andy can play either the 4 or the 5 so he'll be able to back up both positions in due time." It's pretty clear that Andy's role on a contender is 6th man, and he does a hell of a job in that role.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Read the entire article, Grant goes on to call Gee the next priority. I just included the first third or so. I do think it is interesting that Scott listed five players in that quote, omitting Zeller, Casspi, and others. I wonder if he subconsciously has a starting five in his mind and he just gave it away.
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It definitely seemed like those are the 5 he'd like to start, but he's not going to give it to those that have yet to prove themselves in his eyes.
 
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chrisrich91 said:
It seems like that's exactly the case from that quote. Kyrie, Dion, CJ, Tristan, Andy is obviously the starting 5 that Scott wants to start the season with..he's just hoping that the middle three come out with a chip on their shoulder to earn the starting gig.

The 4-5 spacing is a little concerning but I think Zeller will eventually work himself into the starting unit as the season progresses. I remember another quote where Byron accidentally slipped in saying something like "Andy can play either the 4 or the 5 so he'll be able to back up both positions in due time." It's pretty clear that Andy's role on a contender is 6th man, and he does a hell of a job in that role.
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I think the fact that Byron is already talking about Andy as a 6th man is a sign that he wants him to stay here for the long haul, and by giving him fewer minutes you can maximize his productivity. These fluke injuries the last 2 seasons have allowed him I think to focus more on conditioning and it seems that his athleticism has gotten better (judging by Olympic performances), and he's still drawing fouls as effectively as ever (2 in first 80 seconds against Yi Jianlian lol).
 
I personally would want Dion to start(once he earns it, and i think he will). I want CJ more of a 6th man with Gee starting if we can just sign him already
 
KCOTT said:
Must be the offseason, 17 pages on C.J. Miles.
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It's a Cavs website. It's why people sign up. I find the 16 pages on Chick-fil_A and 66 pages on some show that seems based on Willow and sex fantasies far more alarming, all things considering.
 
Haha. Yeah and this page is going to explode once we determine the kind of Sauce CJ is
 
Will Miles start for Cleveland?
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C.J. Miles | Jazz

UPDATE: Whether it be at the two or the three, there seems to be a lot of talk that C.J. Miles will be a starter for Cleveland next season.

Considering that the Cavaliers spent the No. 4 overall pick on shooting guard Dion Waiters, it probably means that if Miles starts anywhere it will be at small forward. Rick Noland of the The Chronicle-Telegram predicted as much last week, though Miles' chances of starting will certainly diminish if the team brings back Alonzo Gee.

- Joe Kaiser

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C.J. Miles is officially a member of the Cleveland Cavaliers after he signed a two-year contract on Wednesday, reports The News-Herald. According to reports, the deal is worth $4 million and 2013-14 is a team option.

Miles will enter training camp as the favorite to be the starting shooting guard over rookie Dion Waiters, who was the No. 4 overall pick in the 2012 draft.

The last order of business for the Cavs is to sign Sonny Weems. The two sides are far apart in their negotiations and may just take the one-year, $2.7 million qualifying offer.

-- Nick B
 
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