C.J. Miles signs with Cavs ($2M/year, 2nd year is team option)

[Tornicade]

CJ Miles gives the Cavs another mid season trade asset. he may be showcased right away.

 

[Randolphkeys]

In regards to Randolphs question, i honestly think Coach Scott prefers bringing Alonzo Gee off the bench and to a level, Alonzo tended to play better as a 6th man versus a starter. (although one of the statistic guru's could prove me wrong, i'm certain) I could easily see C.J. starting all year long if it is a role he adapts to best. I think Gee is the better all around player in terms of defending and passing the basketball and he'll be out on the floor during money time.

And wow on the deal amount! Miles must really want the shot to start a lot to take a deal like he is with us. Byron really must have sold the vision to him pretty well. I'd be an overjoyed Cavalier fan if C.J. somehow proves us all wrong and ends up being a missing piece to our core. The longest of longshots of course...but hey...we can dream.

A few things have stood out to me leading up to Miles signing with the Cavs. First of all, both Dion Waiters and Alonzo Gee have had success recently coming off the bench, arguably more success coming in cold than starting games. Miles has shown in his career that he plays better starting and being the first player pulled for the sixth man. This might have been part of those month long discussions he supposedly had with Byron Scott. As some have mentioned, ending games with your five best players can often be more vital and a testament to a player's worth than in the starting lineup.

With a team as young as this one, I could see the starting lineup getting plenty of changes throughout the season. I picked the number 35 starts literally out of thin air, the fact Omri Casspi started that many games last year was coincidental. However, it does show how much a starting lineup will get tweaked throughout a below .500 season. If you add together the games Mychel Thompson, Luke Harangody, Donald Sloan, Boobie Gibson, and Manny Harris started last year at guard or small forward, you end up with 27 unexpected and arguably undeserved starts. With Miles specifying a chance to start as one big reason for coming to the Cavs, I thought 35 starts would be a realistic number.

 

[I LOVE YOU ABBY]

Re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

Most people lack the willpower and devotion to work on their weaknesses even before they have a $4m contract in hand. It's always easiest to play to your strengths. So while fundamentals can certainly be worked on and improved after reaching the NBA, it's easier and often more productive at the College level where the player has a lot more reasons to be motivated to listen to what his Coach is telling him to do.

I don't really follow your order of reasoning. You're saying money does not usually affect a person's commitment towards working on their weaknesses, yet college is somehow an easier atmosphere to get motivated and pay attention to your coaches... why? Why is college a better tool for learning fundamentals than the NBA is?

We can all agree that the NBA and NCAA are two entirely different styles of play, so why would getting a head start on the NBA game negatively affect a player's chance of success?

 

[MoFlo]

C.J. Miles ‏@masfresco

Got some real good work in this morning at the facility .. the homies @KyrieIrving and @dionwaiters3 in here working too

C.J. Miles ‏@masfresco

Got the last part of my physical and then I'm goin to look for a place to live today .. After this cold tub of course

C.J. Miles ‏@masfresco

Number 0 it is

Good to see Waiters in the gym, working out with Kyrie.

To answer the over/under question, I agree with Keys that the lineup will get changed quite a bit, and with Lum that Scott prefers Gee off the bench. I can see Miles getting over 35 starts, between both the 2 & 3 spots. Scott will tinker with it quite a bit, which will lead to quite a few starts itself.

Of note here: Gee had better %'s across the board coming off the bench last season, while Miles actually shot better at the stripe & from deep while starting. Obviously, that's not something to sway the decision, just worth mentioning considering we could see the same thing happen this season.

 

[wuck]

Eric Pincus from HoopsWorld published slightly different contract details for Miles:

The Cavaliers inked Miles to a two-year, $4.45 million contract with the second year either non-guaranteed or partially-guaranteed.

 

[Jon]

Of note here: Gee had better %'s across the board coming off the bench last season, while Miles actually shot better at the stripe & from deep while starting. Obviously, that's not something to sway the decision, just worth mentioning considering we could see the same thing happen this season.

There are too many possibilities for why this might had happened. We'll have to see how things go for him this season - assuming he ever signs.

 

[mds]

Probably more accurate. I'd think Miles would want at least some guaranteed money in year 2 to come to Cleveland. I imagine he's also been given some idea that he's likely to start, though a Gee signing would at least create some competition for the starting slot.

 

[Jon]

Re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

I don't really follow your order of reasoning. You're saying money does not usually affect a person's commitment towards working on their weaknesses, yet college is somehow an easier atmosphere to get motivated and pay attention to your coaches... why? Why is college a better tool for learning fundamentals than the NBA is?

No, money is a major motivator, but once it's guaranteed or perceived to be guaranteed ... then what?

College coaches do have some additional leverage in that if a player gets a reputation as a malcontent, he can fall in the draft or perhaps even fall out of it entirely.

We can all agree that the NBA and NCAA are two entirely different styles of play, so why would getting a head start on the NBA game negatively affect a player's chance of success?

It's not a problem for players who are self-motivated, but then there are the rest who would rather spend their free time spending their money and "living the life".

 

[CleveRocks]

I think he is over 35 starts.

In thinking about it, our best starting lineup is probably both Miles and Gee. Both are definitive swingmen and decent defenders at the wing. Both have some decent range, but neither is going to best Dion long run.

Start Kyrie, Gee, Miles, TT and AV. Good defense, not so much offense.

Bring Waiters, Samardo ,Zeller and Leuer in and out as needed for matchups and offense.. All offensive players

Harangody would have to kill it to get time, Kellena is a possibility if he has anything left in his legs, Pargo is purely garbage time entertainment. Sloan and Boobie would have to have excellent years to see the floor.

Casspi could see time, just depends. If Gee or Miles screws up, or get injured he plugs into the three spot. Jones is practice bait.

The roster we have could sniff the eighth seed. It is better by some than last years team. But we need a real small forward to really make it go, and I think Gee and Miles are each half as good as we would need. Of course Scott is the wild card as he could make something from nothing, but that's the way I see it. For us to get Bynum, it would only happen if we lose AV in the deal. I have a hard time giving up Zeller in that deal, because we need bench depth at center anyway. If we manage to land Bynum, it will be because we gave up picks to get him. I wonder if it would be smarter to take a shot t him in free agency.

 

[Tornicade]

cavs want to run and that means scoring within the first 10 ticks of the shot clock. Miles is a better jump shooter. ball handler, and passer than gee. Gee's edge is in getting to the basket and dribble drive dunks. Despite the comments about Miles inconsistent defense he measure outs more effective defending the shot whereas gee is a better ball stealer around mid court.

even in a poor shooting year Miles is a more efficient jump shooter by a slght margin even though the shot location breakdowns might reflect otherwise.

Cj and Gee though may end up battling for the backup 2 position if Casspi gets his act together. Despite his problems. He was respectable defensively by the end of the year and if adjusting from the Kings and a nagging leg injury really hurt Casspi last year he could quickly set himself apart from the other 2.

Cavs are wanting a serviceable small forward who can run the floor. None of these guys look to be long term answers at this position. minimizing the spot as a liability is their main concern. Last year gee and Casspi were a marked improvement production wise to what they had before and this year a slight improvement should be seen. anything more than that would be bonus.

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[I LOVE YOU ABBY]

Re: C.J. Miles reportedly will sign with Cavs (2 years)

No, money is a major motivator, but once it's guaranteed or perceived to be guaranteed ... then what?

College coaches do have some additional leverage in that if a player gets a reputation as a malcontent, he can fall in the draft or perhaps even fall out of it entirely.



It's not a problem for players who are self-motivated, but then there are the rest who would rather spend their free time spending their money and "living the life".

I get what you're saying, but I don't think they are as big of factors as you think. Sure money is a motivator, but it never stops being a motivator. The more a player progresses throughout the course of his career the more money he is bound to make.

And I agree college coaches do have certain types of leverage, but it's all in how you look at it. NBA coaches possess certain powers too in regards to working with these guys.

I just think the "he'd be better had he went to college argument" is overused and under proven. It all depends on the player. Alonzo Gee spent four years in college, but it's the strides he has made in the NBA that make him a coveted basketball player.

I don't think the pretend C.J. Miles that went to college for two years would be any more valuable than the actual C.J. Miles who didn't.

EDIT: But what do I know, I'm just a center fielder for the Oakland A's.

 

[Douglar]

The Cavaliers inked Miles to a two-year, $4.45 million contract with the second year either non-guaranteed or partially-guaranteed.

Perhaps the difference is in unlikely bonuses.

I don't think the pretend C.J. Miles that went to college for two years would be any more valuable than the actual C.J. Miles who didn't.

I agree. Shannon Brown went to school for two years and has similar issues to Miles that didn't.

 

[Stark]

I'm really starting to like this signing. The guy is still young (25), and if he impresses in the two years he is with us, we could probably bring him back when we are in our prime contention period in another two or three years.

 

[Homestar]

I'm really starting to like this signing. The guy is still young (25), and if he impresses in the two years he is with us, we could probably bring him back when we are in our prime contention period in another two or three years.

I will 100% guarantee that before Christmas, everyone on this forum will absolutely loathe his presence. He is a complete roster-filler until we are good. When that day comes, he will be long gone.

 

[metalman213]

I will 100% guarantee that before Christmas, everyone on this forum will absolutely loathe his presence. He is a complete roster-filler until we are good. When that day comes, he will be long gone.

Cant be worse than assfingers.