The Jonas V thread

Doc Shakalou said:

Was he ejected after that?

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Nope. Only a double-technical to Jonas and one of the Morris twins.

Weird, thought there was a really strict no tolerance policy when it came to throwing punches.

Doc Shakalou said:

Weird, thought there was a really strict no tolerance policy when it came to throwing punches.

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Yeah, I guess there is. The thing is, I'm not too sure if Jonas was intentionally trying to hit Plumlee, as from other angles it doesn't look as bad. I guess the fact that he didn't connect with Plumlee's face also helps. Anyway, take a look:

[video=youtube;C_PpX2mfr4M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_PpX2mfr4M[/video]

Artest would be proud of JV if it have had connected mg::boxer:

This guy's a huge pussy, thank god we have TT.

I know Jonas is going to be breaking the Rudy Gay code and bringing the stat sheet into the locker room tonight! Dude is crushing it against the Spurs short handed. Without Gay pounding the air out of the ball looking for his own offense first, Jonas is looking like a Holy Terror tonight.





Yes, I put gay and pounding next to each other.

He was bad the rest of the game until garbage time though

He's having a terrible year. He added too much weight and now he has no agility advantage over opponents, plus the weight doesn't provide positive returns because his post game has been figured out and blows. He's simply too mechanical a player to be a high potential post player IMO. Would be better off as a skinny guy who rolls to the rim. I think his fluidity and feel for the game is one of the worst in the league for rotation players, honestly. His has the aesthetic feel/grace of a retarded duck or Javale McGee.

Shack said:

He was bad the rest of the game until garbage time though

He's having a terrible year. He added too much weight and now he has no agility advantage over opponents, plus the weight doesn't provide positive returns because his post game has been figured out and blows. He's simply too mechanical a player to be a high potential post player IMO. Would be better off as a skinny guy who rolls to the rim. I think his fluidity and feel for the game is one of the worst in the league for rotation players, honestly. His has the aesthetic feel/grace of a retarded duck or Javale McGee.

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:chuckles::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

I don't know why, but this is hilarious to me.

The guy's PER is only 13.18. I dont think PER is everything but until Pelton puts his stats on the espn website it is the best we got. He stinks.

Shack said:

He was bad the rest of the game until garbage time though

He's having a terrible year. He added too much weight and now he has no agility advantage over opponents, plus the weight doesn't provide positive returns because his post game has been figured out and blows. He's simply too mechanical a player to be a high potential post player IMO. Would be better off as a skinny guy who rolls to the rim. I think his fluidity and feel for the game is one of the worst in the league for rotation players, honestly. His has the aesthetic feel/grace of a retarded duck or Javale McGee.

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i don't know what you're talking about and i guess you don't either.

valanciunas has a well polished post game and his right handed hookshot over opponents is almost a guaranteed make over many centers in the league. a much better improvement over his multiple pumpfakes and trying to scoop the ball under the defender from last year. added too much weight? please give me the statistics on how remaining to keep your rookie weight helps you become a better center, especially when other big men across the league are bulking up. (did you see roy hibbert's workout program this summer?)

yes he's been very inconsistent but let's take a look at the factors for his inconsistency:

1) Dwayne Casey
I have no idea, but Casey runs pick and roll plays (which are quintessential to a big man's development) to a minimum. most of the offense, pre-rudy trade, were isolations and off ball screens to set up derozan or gay in favourable isolation positions with outside shooters to compliment them in case of kick outs. Lowry rarely runs a PNR because of the high demand to feed derozan/gay and so when they finally do run PNR, it's a few seconds into the shot clock and it's just sloppy. it just makes jonas look terrible.

2) stamina
Jonas has grown into the mentality that he is the last line of defense and so he's become much more active in throwing his body around and challenging shots with high success. Plus he's the first guy to run back on defense, and that takes a toll on a young guy with a 7'0 frame in this fast paced league. especially with the changing culture of smaller lineups and are meant to push the ball and run. (plus he was fighting the flu last night)

3) he's 21.
The guy is 21, who has shown flashes of the player that he can become and has a legitimate track record in his age of being dominant. how many 21 year old legit centers can say that? How long did it take Tyson Chandler to put it all together? Patience is a virtue. developing big V properly (this is a key word as right now he's just being thrown in there) he does have the potential to be a top 4 - 5 center in the future. seriously go back to the early roy hibbert tapes and he was uncoordinated offensively (some what is) and defensively, now after a few years he's considered to the best defensive center in the league, gasol right up there with him as well.

now of course some readers are going to comment that im saying because of his potential he's automatically better than tristan thompson because mentioning valanciunas automatically sparks a thompson debate. this was not written to bash on thompson but to clarify misconceptions on why jonas is struggling in his 2nd season.

JV opponents are shooting 55% at the rim. JV has a -6.3 net abd the offense improves by 7 points when he sits down.currently scoring .87 ppp .

you asked for a Thompson comparison. lets take a look.

starting with the pick and roll. Jonas has shot the ball 27 times from the PnR. Thompson 24. Its 15% of JV's offense and 10% of Thompson.
Thompson Wins. 58& shoting to 40. 1.06 to .81 PPP.

Post Up.. JV wins here right? makes up 32% of his offense where as it accounts for 18% for Thompson . 67 plays to 50 in the sample.

Jonas is shooting 49% to Thompson 45%. Thompson come out though with a .94 PPP and Jones .88 . Thompson has 50 plays with 44 shots. Jonas has 67 plays with 51 shots. Jonas shoots 76% of the time where as Thompson 88 percent.

Jonas has a slight advantage as a converter but Thompson uses his post up opportunities more efficiently.

Isolation.. Thompson here is 30% fg and accounts for 11 percent of his offense. 4 total isolation plays.

This shows Thompson as working on his game and staying diverse even though he is weak at it. Personally I wanna see a young guy working on his weaknesses when the opportunity arises.

Spot up shooting 7% of Tristans offense. 2 % of Jonas. Thompson .76 PPP Jonas .2. Thompson a low 34% but Jonas at a small sample 14%.

Jonas is better at converting offensive rebounds. 17% of both players games.. Ill just attribute this to the height advantage.


Now onto Cuts to the basket. 20% off Tristands offense. 15% of jonas. Jonas at 1.13 PP Thompson 1.05. Jonas 59% on 27 fga out of 32 oppurtunities. Thompson 51.2 % fg . 43 fga on 56 plays. . Thompson is getting more opportunities here. Jonas has been more effective

Overall Thompson is more well rounded and creates for himself off the ball.

He asked for his post to not be read as any comparison or mention of Thompson.

For you to analyse Valanciunas for the player he is, not for the comparison to Thompson.

The very next post after he said that, was a statistical comparison of Thompson to Valanciunas.

Good job

Not every single fucking statement regarding Tristan has to include a comment about Jonas and vice-versa. Same goes for Dion and Drummond. Why can't we just watch players all over the league, including those who play for the Cavs, develop. Period. I'm intrigued by what Jonas may become. I love what I see Tristan becoming. I don't give a shit who was drafted or what not. It's over.

Jonas is going to be a quality big man in the NBA at minimum. I don't think he's good enough to be a centerpiece, however. I'd also like to see him take ownership of some sort of leadership role on that team off the court. It has to be well known in that locker room that he's the front office's golden boy.

RchfldCavRaised said:

He asked for his post to not be read as any comparison or mention of Thompson.

For you to analyse Valanciunas for the player he is, not for the comparison to Thompson.

The very next post after he said that, was a statistical comparison of Thompson to Valanciunas.

Good job

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I just got to say this but I hate stats. Advanced stats, that is. That really does not tell the effect of a player has on a team. The shit had us picking low value talent on this team.

mAo_mAo said:

I just got to say this but I hate stats. Advanced stats, that is. That really does not tell the effect of a player has on a team. The shit had us picking low value talent on this team.

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Im just going to put this out there, you can send it right back... after the Cavs win a title OR after we get a new GM, Im pretty sure you and I should get an apartment together Mao Mao. :chuckles: