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Tristan Thompson
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I think JV is improving. He is strugling with his added mass. His post moves don't look so polished, but in a year or 2 they will look much better and he should be faster with deciding what to do
. It would be really interesting to see what his numbers would be if he played with Irving
JV's averages in November:8.7 PPG (on .476 shooting), 7.2 RPG, .9 BPG, .6 APG in 26.3 MPG
JV's averages in December:12.3 PPG (on .511 shooting), 8.9 RPG, 1.1 BPG, .9 APG in 29.9 MPG
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Gastroscopy would be a good start .
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It's a dead horse...but Tristan needs to shoot the fucking 15-18 footer when it's there. EVERYTIME it's there.
His improved jumper doesn't help us if it's a secret trick he pulls out once or twice a game for a score. It helps us when it reaches scouting reports and draws a defender out of the paint. That doesn't happen until he shoots it with no conscience everytime he's open.
His improved jumper doesn't help us if it's a secret trick he pulls out once or twice a game for a score. It helps us when it reaches scouting reports and draws a defender out of the paint. That doesn't happen until he shoots it with no conscience everytime he's open.
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He just switched shooting hands this summer. It's going to take some time before he's going to feel 100% confident taking that shot. Hopefully by the end of the year he's stepping into that shot and taking it with regularity, but it's not going to happen immediately. Confidence in an ability is built over time.
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I know that we have been playing better of late, but I would really like to see AB and AV start and bring TT off the bench as the energy big/ backup center. AV is a good floor spacer, not only because he has improved his 15-18 foot jumper, but also because of his nose for the ball when cutting/offensive rebounding and his ability to pass. Also, I think that if AV is running the high post while AB is on the block, he could succesfully throw the lob from the FT line when teams are fronting AB.
Now, TT coming in as the backup center would allow us to get him the ball in the 15ft baseline drive area where he has really had a lot of success last year and early this year in iso situations. Additionally, his height would not be as big a disadvantage as he would likely be playing against the other team's backup center most of the time. Finally, I think his long-term roll unless he drastically expands his offensive game, is similar to AV's energy big off the bench, but with the ability to Iso sometimes. This would give him touches other than garbage touches which will get him in rhythm and make him more active on defense and the boards.
He's doing well now, but I just think this small switch would pay huge dividends.
Now, TT coming in as the backup center would allow us to get him the ball in the 15ft baseline drive area where he has really had a lot of success last year and early this year in iso situations. Additionally, his height would not be as big a disadvantage as he would likely be playing against the other team's backup center most of the time. Finally, I think his long-term roll unless he drastically expands his offensive game, is similar to AV's energy big off the bench, but with the ability to Iso sometimes. This would give him touches other than garbage touches which will get him in rhythm and make him more active on defense and the boards.
He's doing well now, but I just think this small switch would pay huge dividends.
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Year 2 1.7% of Tristans shots were from 15-19 feet.
Current 25 games into year 3. 7.8% of his shots are from 15-19.
Seems like Tristan agrees. Thats a substantial jump in shots from range.
Your preaching to the choir ChrisR for a Poor range shooter to make that jump and shoot over 40% from that range is amazing.
Current 25 games into year 3. 7.8% of his shots are from 15-19.
Seems like Tristan agrees. Thats a substantial jump in shots from range.
Your preaching to the choir ChrisR for a Poor range shooter to make that jump and shoot over 40% from that range is amazing.
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Neither of them is likely to be a star. Need a young big to complement Kyrie and Dion and it's a concern that neither Thompson nor Bennett look like somebody that defenses need to really game plan for more then just a cursory level
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I dont even partake in Tristan Thompson discussion here anymore.
No use. Only a matter of time before he is put in the proper role he should be in. Whether it is Clark or Bennett, this team (more specifically Bynum) needs a floor spacer at the 4 to reach their full potential.
Last night, we built a 7-8 point lead and the offense was moving the ball and attacking one of the worst defenses in the league. As soon as Tristan came back in, that all stopped. Not because Tristan holds the ball or sabotages offense intentionally, but because he does not have to be guarded and it allowed the Bucks to start defending us 5 on 4. They tried to force Tristan into being a threat a few times once they CORRECTLY identified that every trip down, Milwaukee was putting their worst defender (Kris Middleton in most lineups) on Tristan and daring him to make an offensive move that Henson or NBA-DLeague-level-bizarro-Ostertag could not help and recover to stop.
Tristan traveled, drew a charge, and got stripped trying to bull his way to a bucket everytime.
Where Tristan DOES excel, is crashing the glass because his defender leaves him to help shrink the court for penetrating Jack and Kyrie.
Someone who doesnt quite understand the way this whole basketball thing works, would look at the stat sheet and cream themselves saying... OMG, Tristan had 8 offensive rebounds and that really great rebound where his awesome instincts magnetically made him tip the ball in to tie the game. I got up out of my seat when Tristan got his tip, it was a GREAT play and it really showed his motor and resiliency. But that hero play was only made possible by the speedbump Tristan provided for our offense that was humming along and exploiting Milwaukee for sagging off and playing a matchup zone. Clark burned them for this. And when he did, Henson/Udoh started staying home more and then Andy started burning them with pick and roll wizardry with each Irving, Jack and Delly because the floor was open enough for him to do so with Clark's man having to stay home.
I really like Tristan. I do. That clip where he was interacting with the babies and reading books and he and Moondog were pinching each other's ass cheeks, that was really cute. But for the betterment of this team KICKING ASS on the court, we need to put him in the role that suits his skillset and compliments the rest of our players as best as possible. That is as a reserve. Preferably in the reserve role that Andy is currently limping around in. Doesnt have the IQ or passing of Andy, but not too many around the leauge do, so... not Tristans fault there. Andy is getting up there Tristan has the durability and father time on his side so he should be the guy to get that role and grow in that role moving forward. (shrugs)
Each of the past almost 10 games, I have watched Bynum start off playing very engaged and aggressive on D. Then as it becomes apparent that he doesnt have the room to operate like his moody-ass would like to on offense, he starts flailing his arms and pouting after being frustrated on offense and his effort level wanes on both ends of the court. last night Austin made mention of the worst-kept secret that looks to be festering on a nightly basis... Bynum gets frustrated with his lack of involvement over the course of a game. But what is the cause? Kyrie is committed to force feeding him down there to start games, but when he gets it, he simply doesnt have the room to operate and set himself up for plays like that BEAUTIFUL right hook that he bounced home methodically in the first half on a consistent basis. Tristans man leaves him and crowds the paint too effectively and Tristan does not make them pay for doing so.
Again, love him as a personality and steady influence around the team/lockerroom. Just feel that just like Waiters, he is currently miscast in our system/rotation that is being established and looking like it has promise by being asked to be a stretch 4 that he is not.
No use. Only a matter of time before he is put in the proper role he should be in. Whether it is Clark or Bennett, this team (more specifically Bynum) needs a floor spacer at the 4 to reach their full potential.
Last night, we built a 7-8 point lead and the offense was moving the ball and attacking one of the worst defenses in the league. As soon as Tristan came back in, that all stopped. Not because Tristan holds the ball or sabotages offense intentionally, but because he does not have to be guarded and it allowed the Bucks to start defending us 5 on 4. They tried to force Tristan into being a threat a few times once they CORRECTLY identified that every trip down, Milwaukee was putting their worst defender (Kris Middleton in most lineups) on Tristan and daring him to make an offensive move that Henson or NBA-DLeague-level-bizarro-Ostertag could not help and recover to stop.
Tristan traveled, drew a charge, and got stripped trying to bull his way to a bucket everytime.
Where Tristan DOES excel, is crashing the glass because his defender leaves him to help shrink the court for penetrating Jack and Kyrie.
Someone who doesnt quite understand the way this whole basketball thing works, would look at the stat sheet and cream themselves saying... OMG, Tristan had 8 offensive rebounds and that really great rebound where his awesome instincts magnetically made him tip the ball in to tie the game. I got up out of my seat when Tristan got his tip, it was a GREAT play and it really showed his motor and resiliency. But that hero play was only made possible by the speedbump Tristan provided for our offense that was humming along and exploiting Milwaukee for sagging off and playing a matchup zone. Clark burned them for this. And when he did, Henson/Udoh started staying home more and then Andy started burning them with pick and roll wizardry with each Irving, Jack and Delly because the floor was open enough for him to do so with Clark's man having to stay home.
I really like Tristan. I do. That clip where he was interacting with the babies and reading books and he and Moondog were pinching each other's ass cheeks, that was really cute. But for the betterment of this team KICKING ASS on the court, we need to put him in the role that suits his skillset and compliments the rest of our players as best as possible. That is as a reserve. Preferably in the reserve role that Andy is currently limping around in. Doesnt have the IQ or passing of Andy, but not too many around the leauge do, so... not Tristans fault there. Andy is getting up there Tristan has the durability and father time on his side so he should be the guy to get that role and grow in that role moving forward. (shrugs)
Each of the past almost 10 games, I have watched Bynum start off playing very engaged and aggressive on D. Then as it becomes apparent that he doesnt have the room to operate like his moody-ass would like to on offense, he starts flailing his arms and pouting after being frustrated on offense and his effort level wanes on both ends of the court. last night Austin made mention of the worst-kept secret that looks to be festering on a nightly basis... Bynum gets frustrated with his lack of involvement over the course of a game. But what is the cause? Kyrie is committed to force feeding him down there to start games, but when he gets it, he simply doesnt have the room to operate and set himself up for plays like that BEAUTIFUL right hook that he bounced home methodically in the first half on a consistent basis. Tristans man leaves him and crowds the paint too effectively and Tristan does not make them pay for doing so.
Again, love him as a personality and steady influence around the team/lockerroom. Just feel that just like Waiters, he is currently miscast in our system/rotation that is being established and looking like it has promise by being asked to be a stretch 4 that he is not.
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I've seen flashes from Bennett of a skillset that each team wishes they had in a guy capable of playing minutes at PF.
Not the ideal height or length but his build and his strength makes up for it in the limited time he was asked to guard PFs. I was impressed by his defensive play on guys trying to work on him in the post and want to see him given the opportunity to play through the usual jitters that rookies have under the bright lights of gametime while finding out the best way to attack defenses at this level.
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Thompson is posting up at 19.5 percent of his plays. shooting 50% and averaging .97 PPP from that position. as a pick and roll man it account for 11% of his plays and he is shooting 62% at 1.16 PPP
to put into context
Kevin Love. 24.5% of his plays are from the post up. .8 PPP 36% FG
Andre Drummond a Center post up 8.4%of his plays .67 PPP at 40% fg
David West- post up 35% of his plays. .93 PPP at 46%.
Lamarcus aldridge post up 43% of his plays. .88 PPP at 40.3% FG
Zach Randolph is posting up 44% of his plays .88 PPP at 44.4%
Andrew Bynum 60% of his plays. .79 PPP 39% shooting
Thompson right now is getting where he can hurt you with his post up game. Beat you off the Pick and Roll , come at you with a cut. and soon reliably drain you from the spot up.
Shut down one part of his game they can use him in another. He is a very versatile PF who has been given the freedom to grow. They even let him run out of isolation. which I wouldnt be surprise he perfoms at a proficient level in year 4 or 5.
he is a guy you can feature 10-12 minutes a game and if the team does make adjustment Tristan is learning to adapt and change attack modes.
Theres alot of individual development going on with this team that can give it an a la carte appearence time to time but when these guys start blending the pieces and playing off each other games. which we are seeing more and more of . it will be a spectacular thing to watch.
Thompson is also a sponge. Hes absorbed alot of AV's pick and roll game and is starting to see how to play from the post like Bynum.
This kind of versatility is essential when you have guard driven play
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yet Tristan was on the court with bynum when the starting unit jumped out into an 8 point lead and clark came in and the ball stopped.
This team is compsosed of 2 different units that play entirely two different kinds of basketball. mix and matching through the game is often going to happen as the 1st unit and 2nd unit lear to play with each other skills.
opposing team linups are a factor here as well.
Thompson though has the skillset to blend in with either unit but sometimes they might not be on the same page.
What creates spacing against the bucks might be different than what creates spacing against the blazer or heat.
not accounting for the strength and skills of the opossing lineup. a son of a long time high school coach should know this because we can see it at that level too
