Anderson Varejao

I don't want to get rid of Andy, but I also don't want to pay him $9.8 million or whatever given his injury history.

shoes22 said:

Again I say, screw all of you that want to get rid of him.

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I've always been in favor of keeping him, but the acquisition and play of Hawes gives us a very crowded front court rotation when Andy returns. It's very difficult to make predictions at this point because Hawes pairs so easily with all of them. Having two big man passers like he and Andy on the floor might be a lot of fun to watch. But Hawes also pairs very well with TT and, surprisingly, with Zeller as well. And we'll want to give Bennett some minutes as well. I can't see us keeping all 5, and what we can get in return in a trade may determine who we move.

It's a damned nice problem to have, though.

I would be ok if Andy doesn't play the rest of the year.

Futuredome said:

I would be ok if Andy doesn't play the rest of the year.

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:gtfo:

Stark said:

I don't want to get rid of Andy, but I also don't want to pay him $9.8 million or whatever given his injury history.

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Well you'd be paying him $4.5 million to walk...would you rather do that?
It's clear from the trading deadline happenings that the front office wants to move Zeller. Of our 5 bigs, I think that's the right move. He has the least talent/potential of the five.

It's clear he can't be trusted to stay healthy. Love the guy, but I would rather give the money to hawes this offseason.

shoes22 said:

Well you'd be paying him $4.5 million to walk...would you rather do that?
It's clear from the trading deadline happenings that the front office wants to move Zeller. Of our 5 bigs, I think that's the right move. He has the least talent/potential of the five.

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The right move, in my opinion, would be to trade Andy and TT and then draft a rim protector in the 2014 draft. Zeller is still young and has room for improvement. I don't think it's a stretch to think that he could become a capable 3 point shooter in some time; maybe even as soon as next season. We should move TT to clear up room for Bennett at the PF spot and move Andy while his trade value is at its "highest". I don't know why the FO was pushing so hard to trade Zeller at the trade deadline. He was actually looking pretty good.

AB/Zeller/Hawes
Hawes/2014 pick/Zeller

A decent frontcourt for the moment with a lot of room to grow and improve. This lineup would allow us to be very flexible in our rotations as we could adjust to any opposing team and create and exploit mismatches on our end.

shoes22 said:

Well you'd be paying him $4.5 million to walk...would you rather do that?
It's clear from the trading deadline happenings that the front office wants to move Zeller. Of our 5 bigs, I think that's the right move. He has the least talent/potential of the five.

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I'm not so sure moving Zeller is the right move.

-He's improved dramatically on the defensive end this season

-He's shown the ability to coexist with all of our other bigs

-His combination of quickness and shooting ability makes him dangerous in the pick and roll

-He's actually leading the team in true shooting percentage

-He's very reliable health-wise (knock on wood)

-He's low profile enough that we could keep him long-term for a normal bench player salary of 3-4M/year

I think that rotation lacks defensive grit/toughness. Having two garbage men may be overkill, but having one guy who does the dirty work and makes hustle plays is very valuable, and essential against some opponents.

Andy can work in a crowded frontcourt: he's not a guy who is going to sulk and getting less minutes will be the one thing that can extend his career.

Andy HAS to go.

Regular season so far he's only played more than 50 games 4 times in his career (one of those times was 54.)

Being a year older he will simply will not be worth $9.7 million, especially with our current frontcourt.

We need to be ascending and making our move next year, not wasting a 6th of our cap space on freaking Varejao.

DELONTEizDad said:

Andy HAS to go.

Regular season so far he's only played more than 50 games 4 times in his career (one of those times was 54.)

Being a year older he will simply will not be worth $9.7 million, especially with our current frontcourt.

We need to be ascending and making our move next year, not wasting a 6th of our cap space on freaking Varejao.

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The problem starts to become thought- even if this is true, other GM's around the league see this and will low ball the Cavs. It will not be easy to unload him with his salary and injury history for fair market value. I believe that's why in the end we will wind up keeping him around.

shoes22 said:

Well you'd be paying him $4.5 million to walk...would you rather do that?
It's clear from the trading deadline happenings that the front office wants to move Zeller. Of our 5 bigs, I think that's the right move. He has the least talent/potential of the five.

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so what happens when he inevitably misses at least half the season?

i'd either 1) try to find some trade for him that actually benefits the team during the off-season OR trade/cut him before his contract becomes fully guaranteed.

gilbert is a billionaire yadda yadda yadda but $5M is still a lot to piss away on a guy who will in all likelihood spend much of the 2nd half in a suit.

i've wanted to move him since 2010, but i think doing so is all the more important now because we finally have some sort of a young core from which he is actually taking important minutes. if they do not trade away anyone in the front court, i don't see how they can feasibly keep him, or why they should. and if they happen to draft a big, preferably a rim protecting c if at all possible, moving him becomes even MORE important.

Jermaine Ali said:

The right move, in my opinion, would be to trade Andy and TT and then draft a rim protector in the 2014 draft. Zeller is still young and has room for improvement. I don't think it's a stretch to think that he could become a capable 3 point shooter in some time; maybe even as soon as next season. We should move TT to clear up room for Bennett at the PF spot and move Andy while his trade value is at its "highest". I don't know why the FO was pushing so hard to trade Zeller at the trade deadline. He was actually looking pretty good.

AB/Zeller/Hawes
Hawes/2014 pick/Zeller

A decent frontcourt for the moment with a lot of room to grow and improve. This lineup would allow us to be very flexible in our rotations as we could adjust to any opposing team and create and exploit mismatches on our end.

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but how many rim protectors are there and where are they slated to go?

i agree with finding a rim protector, but i don't see why it should be limited to the draft. if they can trade for one and draft a player that fills a need elsewhere, great. though, the one advantage is rim protectors tend to be pretty expensive so getting one on a rookie deal would help. just depends on what else is available at that point. a lot of people seem to ignore the $$ aspect even though it's more important than ever, so i guess we're just going to have to see what options actually materialize once the off-season comes around.

also, i would hope the plan for after next season would be to start the rim protector at center. understand bringing him off the bench as a rookie, but he will need to start sooner or later.

What most of you are forgetting is that Andy remained perfectly healthy until he started playing heavy minutes again. Hawes has shown us what floor spacing can do so honestly I would be in favor of starting Hawes and Tristan and letting Andy come off the bench. Even if he only plays 25 minutes a game, he is worth keeping because of how effective he is when healthy.

brownsbuck6 said:

The problem starts to become thought- even if this is true, other GM's around the league see this and will low ball the Cavs. It will not be easy to unload him with his salary and injury history for fair market value. I believe that's why in the end we will wind up keeping him around.

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His value is that someone can clear 15million by trading for him, and then they can release Andy and save a total of 10.5 million. His value is the non-guarantee at this point. Skill wise he is too injury prone to have any value at all.