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Randolphkeys said:
The Cavaliers beat four bad teams without Varejao: Sacramento, Detroit, Philly, and Orlando. Last season, even tanking teams were hard for this franchise to beat without Andy. Then they dropped two games to playoff teams, Washington and Toronto. I thought they had a good shot to win against the Raps, not so much against the Wiz.

Hawes has shown that he will at least keep the offense flowing without Andy, which discourages the Hero ball trappings. I still feel like the team looks decent considering how important Andy, and to a lesser extent Dion, is to this team.
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Agreed. If we drop the game tonight, that will just get lost in the doom and gloom. Couldn't have had a worse time for Andy, Dion, and CJ to miss time. It's causing a lot of people to think that the 6 game win streak was a mirage and the Hawes trade pointless. We're just down on key fire power. Our energy guy, our hard headed penetrator/second scorer, and our best 3 pt shooter.
 
MirORich said:
Agreed. If we drop the game tonight, that will just get lost in the doom and gloom. Couldn't have had a worse time for Andy, Dion, and CJ to miss time. It's causing a lot of people to think that the 6 game win streak was a mirage and the Hawes trade pointless. We're just down on key fire power. Our energy guy, our hard headed penetrator/second scorer, and our best 3 pt shooter.
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Losing Miles in and of itself isn't devestating, but when your second and third best players go down, you definitely feel his loss.
 
Saor said:
This quote is from Lloyd:



Why are the Cavs always so secretive with Andy? If he is out for the year or has a serious issue, just release the info. It isn't anything we haven't heard before. I mean, he almost died last year with a blood clot. I don't see how it could get more serious than that.
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Not to be all doom and gloom, but if it is something serious then they probably don't want to announce it with the fear that if they do even less people will show up to games.
 
Randolphkeys said:
Losing Miles in and of itself isn't devestating, but when your second and third best players go down, you definitely feel his loss.
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And losing Waiters + Miles creates a need to play Jack, Delly, and Karasev(who obviously is not getting played) heavy minutes which is just not good for winning. Jack has continued to be substandard and Delly is showing as the season goes on that he has very specific limits and roles.
 
so at the end of the season, do we cut andy?
A lot of people were agasint trading him this season
but do we play him 10(?) million next season?

I dont think thats a smart idea at all
 
kidduck said:
Sam The Bullshit Whisperer ‏@SamAmicoFSO <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);"> 1h</small>
For those asking about Varejao, Waiters, Miles - no timetable, Mike Brown says. #Cavs say none overly serious, could be back any day now.
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GTFO how is Andy's injury not overly serious? There is no timetable for an injury that we don't even know when it occured. When did he hurt his back? If the team can't pinpoint when he got hurt then why on earth should we believe them when they say it's not serious?
 
MirORich said:
And losing Waiters + Miles creates a need to play Jack, Delly, and Karasev(who obviously is not getting played) heavy minutes which is just not good for winning. Jack has continued to be substandard and Delly is showing as the season goes on that he has very specific limits and roles.
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I try to keep the threads on topic, but we already knew Delly needed refinement as a scorer during the preseason. In Vegas, some members wanted to cut him because he can't carry an offense as a penetrator like a Jeremy Pargo.
He needs complimentary pieces like Dion or Patty Mills right now, hopefully he gains a better rapport with Irving and improves that three point shot.

The optimist in me thinks about Draymond Green shooting about 20% from the outside as a rookie and I thought, "Damn, this guy could start if he fixes his outside shot.". Now Green is much more comfortable with the NBA triple.

Back on point, Andy has been indispensable for the Cavs. I hope the addition of Hawes doesn't mean they don't want to give Andy a nice contract offer. Hawes might be a longterm piece, but Andy is a good company man.
 
So the fact that Andy can't stay healthy doesn't change how you view him? I don't know what you're thinking when you say "nice contract offer" but for a guy that you can count on being hurt for a significant amount of time every season, I'm not quite sure why he should be brought back at anything other than on the cheap.
 
Rich said:
So the fact that Andy can't stay healthy doesn't change how you view him? I don't know what you're thinking when you say "nice contract offer" but for a guy that you can count on being hurt for a significant amount of time every season, I'm not quite sure why he should be brought back at anything other than on the cheap.
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how much would you give him? 5 mil? would he even take that?
 
kidduck said:
Sam The Bullshit Whisperer ‏@SamAmicoFSO <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(187, 187, 187);"> 1h</small>
For those asking about Varejao, Waiters, Miles - no timetable, Mike Brown says. #Cavs say none overly serious, could be back any day now.
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no timetable....but they could be back any day now?

i'm not sure why they are trying to be so discreet.
Los216 said:
I would not retain him
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yep. what sucks is he has guaranteed money and a fairly large contract, so it's unlikely another team would be able to absorb him in pure cap space. either the cavs pay for incoming players - which probably would not be very good given his super injury prone status - or they eat the $4M guarantee and just cut him before the remainder becomes fully guaranteed.

it's just not worth it to pay a guy $10M for half a season in this nba financial environment. him taking away minutes from younger players even though he is not part of the long-term plan just makes it harder to swallow.

and for a preemptive response to a comment that is inevitably coming - you don't pay $10M for "veteran leadership."
 
When healthy, he's arguably our best all-around player. In a universe where Hawes is making 6.5M, Jack 6.3M, and Clark 4.25M, people would really refuse to pay Andy 5M/year?
 
Nathan S said:
When healthy, he's arguably our best all-around player. In a universe where Hawes is making 6.5M, Jack 6.3M, and Clark 4.25M, people would really refuse to pay Andy 5M/year?
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Those first two words mean a lot. If he ends up being done for the year, it will be four years in a row he has played less than 50 games. And 3 of those years he played in 31 or less games.

So regardless of cost, you have to be asking yourself how much do you want to spend against a stricter cap to keep a guy that hasn't shown he can stay healthy.

I don't want to discuss amounts. But his injuries are a legitimate concern now if they weren't already.
 
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