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Dion Waiters Traded

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Grade the Trade (Waiters + Kirk/Amundsen + 2nd rd pick for Smith, Shumpert, and 1st rd pick)

  • A+

    Votes: 18 7.1%
  • A

    Votes: 68 26.7%
  • B

    Votes: 106 41.6%
  • C

    Votes: 44 17.3%
  • D

    Votes: 10 3.9%
  • F

    Votes: 9 3.5%

  • Total voters
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Can't figure out how to embed videos from the Cavs site. Season in Review video for Dion. Munch on that says Fred.
 
This thread is going to get very interesting in the next couple weeks...
 
Is Dion scheduled to work out with Chuck Ellis?

Dion will likely become available if the cavs draft wiggins/parker and succeed in getting lebron. They will need to use him and TT to upgrade the 4/5 spots. Its a shame really as i think he is due to break out
 
Dion will likely become available if the cavs draft wiggins/parker and succeed in getting lebron. They will need to use him and TT to upgrade the 4/5 spots. Its a shame really as i think he is due to break out

No reason to with Wiggins. His game off the ball is very underrated. Overtime, we may want to move Dion or Kyrie, but no reason to rush.
 
I'm really looking forward to Dion being coached by Blatt. Towards the end of the season, it seemed like he was consistently getting 1 or 2 baskets a night just by making back cuts. With a structured offense that is designed to take advantage of cutting and catch and shooting, I think he'll be fantastic.

Of course his current strengths are with the ball in his hands, ISOs, pick and rolls and such, but I think he'll find out pretty quickly that he can thrive under Blatt.
 
Some people think we should trade Dion because he doesn't fit or he is redundant... I don't think that's a good idea, Dion is too talented and can create for others. It is valuable to have at least 2 creators in the playoffs, we have seen and experienced what happens when you don't. This guy lives for big games and can't wait to see what he does in the playoffs. Dion also brings toughness and attitude to this team we need, and he can score from anywhere along with getting to the rim at will. I think Dion has all-star potential and he consistently flashed it to end last season while starting. That being said, you don't trade Dion Waiters because he doesn't "fit" the best on our roster currently, you make a talented player like Dion fit.

I just think of if he was an all-star on another team, people would say "Why the hell did the Cavs trade an all-star in Dion Waiters?", and I think it's a pretty weak/lame excuse to just say he didn't fit our roster. You do everything in your power to make a player like Dion fit.

I just....

Yes, if Dion Waiters was an all-star on another team we'd be kicking ourselves. If he was the greatest player to ever walk the Earth we'd be kicking ourselves even more.

But he's not all that close to be an all-star so I have no idea why we're penciling that in.
 
In Simmons and Jalen's latest podcast, Simmons tried saying we should have taken Oladipo last year. Jalen asked him if he thought Oladipo was a better player than Dion. Asked him, if we went out tomorrow, shirts vs. skins, who do you want on your team? Simmons after some thought said he would take Oladipo, but he would be more afraid of playing against Dion. Jalen wanted Dion.

Simmons also said the best two guards were Harden, Klay, and Beal. No mention of Waiters who has almost identical stats to Beal but with a higher FG percentage. I wish Waiters got more respect around the league. I love the guy and hope we don't trade him next week.
 
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I love Dion from a talent and skill standpoint.

He's fun to watch, he is a competitor.

He just needs to grow up. I saw signs of that toward the end of last year.

I'm sick of the Kyrie vs. Dion stuff.

They either work together or they don't. If they did, they could make the game very easy for each other.

If Blatt can't get them to, then one needs to be moved.
 
In Simmons and Jalen's latest podcast, Simmons tried saying we should have taken Oladipo last year. Jalen asked him if he thought Oladipo was a better player than Dion. Asked him, if we went out tomorrow, shirts vs. skins, who do you want on your team? Simmons after some thought said he would take Oladipo, but he would be more afraid of playing against Dion. Jalen wanted Dion.

Simmons also said the best two guards were Harden, Klay, and Beal. No mention of Waiters who has almost identical stats to Beal but with a higher FG percentage. I wish Waiters got more respect around the league. I love the guy and hope we don't trade him next week.

The problem with Dion is his play on the court doesn't make up for the stuff you hear about off the court.

You don't hear about those guys getting kicked out of practice. You don't see those guys constantly pouting on the court. You don't hear about those guys getting into it with teammates.

If you're going to be a douche then you had better be a good player. The bigger the douche the better the player you need to be to justify your attitude.

But this is a big factor. People compare Beal to Waiters and they remember that Waiters is the guy who got kicked out of practice. And waiters is the guy always screaming at the refs.
 
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Dion is only 22 years old. I was looking up the age of Dion's kid and I found this article:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2008643-dion-waiters-is-finally-growing-up-before-our-very-eyes

You should give it a read if you haven't already. Gives you an idea of how far he has come, not only since getting drafted, but from where he was when he was growing up.

The journey of Dion Waiters hasn't been an easy one.

The Cleveland Cavaliers' shooting guard is considered to be a tremendous offensive talent that also carries a lot of baggage. Not even two years into his professional career, Waiters has already clashed with teammates and coaches, shown up to training camp overweight and been involved in trade rumors.

The general manager that many felt reached to select him at No. 4 overall in the 2012 NBA draft has since been fired. His new coach, the second he's had in two years, moved Waiters to the bench just nine games into the season.

While things haven't been easy for Waiters, he's managed to turn his game, and possibly his life, around.



Humble Beginnings

Born and raised in South Philadelphia, Waiters' mother was just 17 when she gave birth to Dion. His father was in jail at the time.

Waiters grew up playing basketball wherever he could, regardless of weather or time of day.

“Sunup to sundown,” his mother told Pete Thamel of The New York Times. “He even shot in the rain or snow.”

Away from basketball, his home life revolved around his mother and stepfather, James Barnes. Waiters is the middle child of his mother's three children, while his biological father has 13 kids. The neighborhood he grew up in wasn't ideal and claimed the life of three cousins and his best friend.

"It's hard. Especially as a kid. You think, 'I'm losing everybody.' But at the end of the day, you still got your family. So I just play with a lot of pain and aggression," Waiters said in an interview with Donna Ditota of syracuse.com.

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The one constant in Waiters' life has been his mother, Monique Brown.

Waiters said in the same interview:

My mom, that's my heart and soul. That's the reason I wake up every day and come out here and do what I do. She's a strong, black, single parent. She raised me. From Day One, she's always been there, thick and thin. And that's what drove me more. She told me, 'Never give up.' There was times when I wanted to leave, I just wanted to give up on certain things and she wouldn't let me. That's what really motivated me to go out there and work harder. And become a better person on and off the court.

Waiters went to four different high schools before attending Syracuse for two years. At times, he clashed with head coach Jim Boeheim and considered leaving the school, but he ultimately returned to win Big East Sixth Man of the Year during his sophomore season.

Despite his tough upbringing, Waiters eventually found college success and soon after entered the 2012 NBA draft.



Early NBA Struggles

While many viewed Waiters as a top-15 NBA draft pick, few could have predicted he would go No. 4 overall to the Cavaliers. After all, Waiters came off the bench at Syracuse while averaging just 12.6 points per game.

The Cavs knew they needed someone to help carry the scoring load next to Kyrie Irving, and Waiters appeared to be one of the best offensive players in all of college basketball.

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Before the season started, Waiters participated in the NBA Summer League, where he looked noticeably overweight. When questioned about his conditioning, he later told syracuse.com, "It was a couple weeks between the draft and summer league. I still wasn’t (in game shape)."

As it would turn out, the excuses seemed to keep coming from Waiters.

“That’s Dion. He’s been like that since he got here. He doesn’t think anything is his fault,” a team source told Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon Journal.

Early this season, it was reported that Waiters called out teammates Irving and Tristan Thompson in a players-only meeting, accusing the two of playing "buddy ball," via Chris Broussard of ESPN The Magazine.

This was following a report saying that, despite being handpicked to play together, Waiters wasn't close to Irving and that he believed the Cavaliers held a double standard with their star point guard. Broussard also noted that Cleveland was "actively shopping" Waiters at the time.

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Never one to hide his emotions, Waiters would often get visibly upset when his shots weren't falling. Sometimes, after being pulled from a game, he would appear to be sulking instead of paying attention to what his teammates were doing on the court. We also know that Waiters was removed from a February practice, per a Lloyd report in the Akron Beacon Journal.

Even at 22, being a professional athlete, Waiters still had a lot of maturing to do.



The New Dion

In the past few months, something changed in Waiters.

He's seemed more relaxed and comfortable both on and off the court.

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“I’ve been in the media a lot for being the bad guy,” Waiters told Jason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon Journal. “I’m changing my image.”

Lloyd's article would go on to say:

He has certainly been in his share of headlines this season, but lately he truly has been the role of peacemaker. When Channing Frye seemed irritated with Matthew Dellavedova tonight, Waiters stepped in, just as he has done previously to defend teammates. When Mike Brown exploded following a non-call against the Spurs in a recent game, Waiters is the one who went out to retrieve his coach. Brown turned and saw Waiters coming for him and cracked up.

Remember all the excuses Waiters was reportedly making earlier in the year? It appears he's not only ready to admit when he makes a mistake, but is now hunting down Mike Brown to apologize for them.

Following a recent loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder, Waiters went to Brown's office to say he was sorry for not rebounding better.

Seriously.

Keep in mind that Waiters is a shooting guard, not a position that typically hits the boards real hard. Still, this was a huge turnaround for Waiters, and a move that showed a great amount of maturity on his part.

Waiters told Mary Schmitt Boyer of The Cleveland Plain Dealer:

At the end of the day you have to look in the mirror at yourself. If you feel as though you didn’t rebound and you were part of the problem, why not admit it? It’s easy to point the finger, but you have to look in the mirror and see what you can do better. Where I come from, we just tell it how it is. We don’t point the finger at someone else.

Following a move to the starting lineup for the injured Irving, Waiters has responded in a big way.

In six games filling in for Irving, Waiters is averaging 22.8 points, 3.8 rebounds and 5.8 assists while shooting 45.5 percent from the field. The Cavs have won three in a row, including a last-second victory over the Detroit Pistons thanks to Waiters.


Teammate Jarrett Jack had this to say about Waiters, via The Cleveland Plain Dealer.

I think he’s done a hell of a job these last few games with Ky being out, stepping up making plays. Leaps and bounds from where we were at the beginning of the season -- decision making, being more assertive, talkative, being more receptive to criticism but him also being able to lead others as well. That’s the one thing I try to get across to him: 'Boss, people look to you because of your ability. They respect what you do on the court and what you bring to the table, but for you to lead, you’ve got to be able to listen, then when you listen, that’s when you can help look out for others as well.

The journey from the streets of South Philly to Cleveland has been anything but smooth for Waiters, but it appears the former Syracuse star is now becoming the man everyone hoped he would be.

It may have taken awhile, but the Cavaliers are finally getting the player and person they envisioned back on draft night 2012.

Regardless of how this season ends, fans can enjoy watching Waiters' progression now and hopefully for years to come.



-GS



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In Simmons and Jalen's latest podcast, Simmons tried saying we should have taken Oladipo last year. Jalen asked him if he thought Oladipo was a better player than Dion. Asked him, if we went out tomorrow, shirts vs. skins, who do you want on your team? Simmons after some thought said he would take Oladipo, but he would be more afraid of playing against Dion. Jalen wanted Dion.

Simmons also said the best two guards were Harden, Klay, and Beal. No mention of Waiters who has almost identical stats to Beal but with a higher FG percentage. I wish Waiters got more respect around the league. I love the guy and hope we don't trade him next week.


When Waiters was drafted, everyone in the media hated the pick. Locally, Kenny Roda when on for two hours about how, there were six SGs he would have taken before Waiters. Nationally, I saw someone put out an article on the top ten worst draft picks ever. The writer had Waiters at number nine on the list. It's hard for these "experts" to admit, they're assholes and idiots.
 
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Although the draft lottery has treated them quite well, theCleveland Cavaliers could look to put their annual ventures into the ping pong ball pull behind them.
The Cavs want to win now. Actually, they wanted to win last year, which is why they placed free-agent bets on Jarrett Jack and Andrew Bynum before trading for Luol Deng and Spencer Hawes.

After a disappointing 33-win season, Cleveland is still searching for its first playoff berth of the post-LeBron James era. That pursuit might lead the Cavaliers to the trade market, where combo guard Dion Waiters could prove far more valuable than he's been as a member of the franchise.

The former Syracuse standout has had something of a square-peg-in-round-hole existence in Cleveland. If he's the answer to an NBAquestion, it's not one the Cavs are currently asking.

Cleveland could use a floor spacer alongside All-Star point guard KyrieIrving, someone comfortable with working off the ball and capable of doing damage in the process.

<b>Waiters, a career 34.2 percent three-point shooter, needs touches to be effective. He was the NBA's 30th-ranked scorer as a pick-and-roll ball-handler (0.68 points per possession), via Synergy Sports(subscription required), while ranking 277th as a spot-up shooter (1.05).</b>

His best work comes inside the paint, an area he can probe with regularity thanks to his combination of speed, strength and athleticism. He's still learning how to consistently finish among the tall trees inside the restricted area, but getting to that point doesn't seem to be a problem.
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Well, it doesn't seem to be a problem for Waiters, that is. For the Cavaliers, Waiters' dribble penetrations limit the number of attacks available to Irving. Unless, of course, Waiters is banished to the second team, as he was in 46 of the 70 games he played this past season.

However, that setup forces one of Cleveland's best two players off the floor. The Cavs need the Irving-Waiters pairing to pan out, or they need to break it apart.
According to a source close to Waiters, via Fox Sports' Sam The Bullshit Whisperer, it sounds as if the franchise might soon opt for the latter:

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Interesting note to Dion Waiters talk: Source close to Waiters tells @FOXSportsOH that Waiters thinks he or Kyrie Irving will be traded.
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If this is a Waiters-or-Irving call, then it shouldn't be much of a debate.No offense to Waiters, but Irving is a two-time All-Star with an All-Star Game MVP award already to his credit. Despite having an additional year of NBA service on his resume, Irving is also a couple months younger than Waiters.

Oh, and Irving could soon be putting his signature on a max-contract offer.


Assuming Irving takes the money and stays for a while, the franchise will then need to build a formidable roster around him.
That's where potentially moving Waiters comes into play. This isn't the first time his name has been swooped up by trade winds:

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Team w lottery pick has also been in conversations w #Cavs, source says. Told Dion Waiters, Tristan Thompson part of exploratory talks.
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ESPN.com's Andy Katz reported last summer that Waiters was part of the trade package Cleveland offered for Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star forward Kevin Love. Bleacher Report's Jared Zwerling wrote in December that Waiters had asked for a ticket out of Cleveland, although the scoring guard later denied making such a request, perJason Lloyd of the Akron Beacon Journal.

There's too much smoke not to be some type of fire. If the Cavs wind up making a move, it seems like Waiters will be booking some movers shortly thereafter.
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He's not the most attractive trade chip in general manager David Griffin's arsenal. That honor falls on the shoulders of Irving, whoAmico reported has been the source of a few calls that Griffin has received:

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#Cavs have fielded a couple calls about Kyrie Irving, league sources say. Given talk of max extensions, not surprising teams willing to ask.
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Waiters isn't even the second-best card in Griffin's hand.That much became clear when the Cavs snagged the No. 1 overall pick for the third time in four years. Unlike last time around, this one is actually a highly coveted selection.

It's such a potentially valuable piece of Cleveland's buzzer that Griffin has made sure to avoid backing himself into any corners. The Cavs do not have a front-runner sitting atop their draft board, sources toldESPN.com's Jeff Goodman and Chad Ford, and have not ruled out the possibility of moving the pick:

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David Griffin on poss of trading #1 pick: "I think we’re very open-minded to a lot of things. I’d trade me if it made us better." #Cavs
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Unless the Cavs get blown away by an offer, though, it's hard to imagine them dealing the pick. Teams that own the selection rarely give it up.It sounds like the Cavs are surveying their options and not liking what they find:

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Sense is, despite buzz, Cavs not close to deal they like. Told they could be really busy Thursday night, "or it may be nothing."
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There shouldn't be a similar split with Waiters. The Cavaliers could even find that the ball-dominant scorer has more value outside the franchise than he does within.He was one of only six players to average at least 15 points while logging fewer than 30 minutes a night this past season, via Basketball-Reference.com. He improved both his field-goal (43.3, up from 41.2) and three-point (36.8, up from 31.0) percentages, showing the type of strides that should be made by a second-year player<iframe id="twitter-widget-5" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowtransparency="true" class="twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered" title="Embedded Tweet" height="186" style="margin: 7px auto; padding: 0px; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: rgb(238, 238, 238) rgb(221, 221, 221) rgb(187, 187, 187); outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; max-width: 98%; width: 350px; display: block; min-width: 220px; border-top-left-radius: 5px; border-top-right-radius: 5px; border-bottom-right-radius: 5px; border-bottom-left-radius: 5px; box-shadow: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.14902) 0px 1px 3px; position: static; visibility: visible; float: none; background: transparent;"></iframe><iframe src="http://www.nba.com/.element/iframe/2.0/video/third_party_player/iframe.html?videoID=/video/games/cavaliers/2014/01/05/0021300499-ind-cle-play4.nba&team=blrpt&width=630&playerHeight=355" width="630" height="355" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" style="margin: auto; padding: 0px; border-width: 0px; outline: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; max-width: 100%; display: block; background: transparent;"></iframe>His ceiling is far from set and could potentially grow even higher with a change of scenery. As Lloyd explained, Waiters hasn't always had the best attitude toward his current situation:

"Waiters acknowledges he grew irritated when he didn’t think he was getting enough touches. When the players sounded off on each other during a players-only meeting following an early season loss at Minnesota, Waiters reportedly accused Irving and Tristan Thompson of playing 'buddy ball' and not passing to him enough."

Those words might throw up a flag or two for some rival executives, but perhaps others would see this as an opportunity. Maybe they'd believe the league has yet to see the real Waiters, the one too talented to be labeled simply as a scorer.

"I want to do all the little things," Waiters said earlier this season, viaBob Finnan of The Morning Journal. "I want to find my teammates. You have to be mentally focused."

Waiters has some maturing to do, but he seems ready to embrace the process. Considering the wealth of physical tools at his disposal, the right mental approach could allow him to tap into his massive potential.
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Franchises need to demand he takes that step, then allot him enough time to embrace the process. From the outside looking in, it's hard to say whether the Cavaliers could check either of those boxes.

It isn't hard to see, however, that Waiters is a curious fit for the current roster. He could be an address change away from having the type of NBA career befitting his status as a former No. 4 overall draft pick.

Staying patient hasn't worked for the Cavaliers, so this could be the time to get aggressive. That means moving future assets, like Waiters, for more immediate help and in turn unlocking their chance to maximize their abilities.


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Interesting theory. Did Dion really Limit aiters drives.. Irving was struggling before Dion was benched and conitnued to do so after. relative to expectations.

Dion the malcontent often saw his teammates shoot better and more efficiently when he was on the court.

When Irving was out. Dion didnt take the ball out of the ht hand .

Irving had 71.8 touches a game in the front court in 35.3 minutes 2.033 touches per minute

Waiters 43.7 in 29.9 minutes per game 1.4 touches per minute.

Jack had 1.74 touches per minute

Deng had 1.2 touches per minute

Gee 1.02 touches per minute

CJ Mles 1.06 touches per minute

M delladova 1.42 per minute

justr for comparison purposes.

Bradley beal touched the ball in the front court 1.44 times per minute.


as far as drive goes the team averaged 7.4 ppg on kyries drives and 7.2 on dions drives. so despite a low conversion rate even while driving the ball Waiters was able to help the score.


Irving didnt adapt to the defensive schemes coming at him and he continued to hold the ball for way to long. these are things that can be fixed... but not by dion waiters or any other 2 guard for that matter
 
Unless you get blown away, I think talk of trading Dion is a mistake. I'm not calling him an All-Star like some,
but how about we get a bigger sample size to see how he develops ? I think he's shown enough progress that's
we can likely expect it to continue in his third season. I don't buy the bullshit that he can't play with Irving. Everyone
gets pissed at some point after so many losses. He's saying all the right things. I think he deserves at least another
season to see how he improves. I see no reason he can't be a big part of this team improving this season, along with
the number 1 pick.
 
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