Johnny Manziel: Swan Won't Return His Calls

Eh.

I'll let you guys figure it out mid-way through Johnny's inevitable promotion to starter when Hoyer gets smashed on a sack. You'll see it.

The Oi said:

Favre experienced immediate success in the NFL. Joe Namath absolutely sucked.

If Johnny Manziel puts up the numbers Favre did his first year as a starter, he will absolutely shock the world. If he puts up Namath numbers, he'll be one of the worst QBs in the league and gone in two years.

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Trolling like the Indians threads... Remember, we're in week 2 of the rookie pre-season...

Favre was drafted by the Atlanta Falcons in the second round, 33rd overall in the 1991 NFL Draft.[22] On July 19, 1991, Favre agreed to a three-year, $1.4 million contract with a reported signing bonus of $350,000.[23] Atlanta coach Jerry Glanville did not approve of the drafting of Favre, saying it would take a plane crash for him to put Favre into the game. Favre's first pass in an NFL regular season game resulted in an interception returned for a touchdown. He only attempted four passes in his career at Atlanta, was intercepted twice, and completed none of them. Brett took one other snap, which resulted in a sack for an eleven-yard loss.

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Green Bay Packers general manager Ron Wolf traded a first-round pick (19th overall, which would be used for Tony Smith) for Favre after the 1991 season. Wolf, while an assistant to the general manager of the New York Jets, had intended to take Favre in the 1991 NFL draft, but Favre was taken by the Falcons on the previous pick.[24][25]

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel and other sources, during the physical after the trade, Favre was diagnosed with avascular necrosis of the hip, the same degenerative condition that ended Bo Jackson's football career, and doctors recommended his physical be failed, which would nullify the trade. Wolf overruled them.[25][26]

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In the second game of the 1992 season, the Packers played the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Buccaneers were leading 17–0 at halftime when head coach Mike Holmgren benched starting quarterback Don Majkowski and Favre played the second half. On his first regular season play as a Packer, Favre threw a pass that was deflected and caught by himself. Favre was tackled and the completion went for −7 yards. The Packers lost the game 31–3, chalking up only 106 yards passing.

In the third game of the 1992 season, Majkowski injured a ligament in his ankle against the Cincinnati Bengals, an injury severe enough that he would be out for four weeks. Favre replaced Majkowski for the remainder of the contest. Favre fumbled four times during the course of the game, a performance poor enough that the crowd chanted for Favre to be removed in favor of another Packers backup quarterback at the time, Ty Detmer.

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If this were to happen to Johnny, you'd be saying much worse than what you've already said.

We are going to suck anyway, so we might as well throw Johnny out there and let him sink or swim. That way we can win one or two games and pick 1st instead of going 5-11 and picking 6th. Then we get Jameis and go through this shit all over again next year.

So the Browns could have two top 5 draft picks in 2015.

Soda said:

Trolling like the Indians threads... Remember, we're in week 2 of the rookie pre-season...







If this were to happen to Johnny, you'd be saying much worse than what you've already said.

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You're talking about a season where he threw four passes and an injury that Favre could do nothing about. Favre's first full season as a starter was a hell of a lot longer than one play and it resulted in 18TDs, 13 INTs and 3,227 yards on 64.1%. That's a hell of a season. When Johnny starts out shitty (he will), then we'll see if he turns it around and puts together a season like Favre did.

I'm telling you he won't.

Look...like I said. You'll see when it happens. In the meantime, there's nothing I can say to convince people who didn't see it and who want to believe. Hope is a hell of a thing when it comes to sports. I guess I just expected people would recognize a shitty NFL QB by now. We've seen plenty of them.

Anyways...if you want to use the Favre comparison, shit...let's do it. They'll be starters at around the same age. Let's see how Manziel's first season stacks up against Favre's. He's your comparison, so it's only fair.

Orange Julius said:

2nd preseason game. Team went 5-11 last year. Has no WR's. How about we have some patience and look for gradual improvement before we start the 2015 mock drafts?

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Not bashing you in anyway and want Manziel to succeed...

But pretty sure he was throwing to Cameron, Hawkins, Gordon, our 3 main receivers.

The Oi said:

You're talking about a season where he threw four passes and an injury that Favre could do nothing about. Favre's first full season as a starter was a hell of a lot longer than one play and it resulted in 18TDs, 13 INTs and 3,227 yards on 64.1%. That's a hell of a season. When Johnny starts out shitty (he will), then we'll see if he turns it around and puts together a season like Favre did.

I'm telling you he won't.

Look...like I said. You'll see when it happens. In the meantime, there's nothing I can say to convince people who didn't see it and who want to believe. Hope is a hell of a thing when it comes to sports. I guess I just expected people would recognize a shitty NFL QB by now. We've seen plenty of them.

Anyways...if you want to use the Favre comparison, shit...let's do it. They'll be starters at around the same age. Let's see how Manziel's first season stacks up against Favre's. He's your comparison, so it's only fair.

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"Find me one, just one." You asked for one comparison of a guy who had similar issues. It's extremely simple to try to point out failures, rather than step-up and predict success.

You know, for someone who seems to think they have some exceptional perspective, you fail to see that you're the only one here saying that you can see the future. I know I can't. I also know it's too early to tell. Believe whatever makes you feel confident.

Just in case who do you like better MM, BH or JW? :chuckles::chuckles:

bushwick_bill said:

So the Browns could have two top 5 draft picks in 2015.

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I'm hoping for #1 and #2 personally.

I think Jameis will be best QB in the class, but I don't know if he will be a star. He isn't an Andrew Luck level prospect. I still maintain I would have given two whole drafts to the Colts for that pick.

Ouch...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>&quot;Other teams hate this guy&quot; - <a href="https://twitter.com/7BOOMERESIASON">@7BOOMERESIASON</a> on Johnny Manziel</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/statuses/501757139849715712">August 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Boomer: &quot;I’m telling you, those linebackers for the Steelers are just praying to God that (Manziel) plays in Week 1.&quot; <a href="http://t.co/8tSMetexp4">http://t.co/8tSMetexp4</a></p>&mdash; WFAN Sports Radio (@WFAN660) <a href="https://twitter.com/WFAN660/statuses/501723845712433153">August 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Boomer: &quot;If I were Mike Pettine, I would have to have my head examined to put that kid on the field.&quot; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Manziel?src=hash">#Manziel</a> <a href="http://t.co/8tSMetexp4">http://t.co/8tSMetexp4</a></p>&mdash; WFAN Sports Radio (@WFAN660) <a href="https://twitter.com/WFAN660/statuses/501723973944889346">August 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Soda said:

"Find me one, just one." You asked for one comparison of a guy who had similar issues. It's extremely simple to try to point out failures, rather than step-up and predict success.

You know, for someone who seems to think they have some exceptional perspective, you fail to see that you're the only one here saying that you can see the future. I know I can't. I also know it's too early to tell. Believe whatever makes you feel confident.

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Why would I "step up and predict success" for someone that's showing every sign of not being able to experience it? :chuckles:

I'd step up and predict success for Gordon, because he's shown incredible athleticism, great hands and ridiculous separation ability and I think the Browns or some other team will do what they can to take advantage of those skills in spite of him making horrible decisions. I'll step up and predict success for Dion Waiters, because he's shown signs of a killer instinct, athleticism, leadership abilities and team oriented play...in spite of some rumors about an inability to get along with Kyrie and coaches. The Cavs have also, in one amazing off-season, put an incredible support system around him.

There's clear skills and a level of success at the professional level with these two in spite of personality flaws.

Just because I'm not predicting success for long-shots that haven't shown anything doesn't mean I'm doing something wrong. That's like picking a stock that's tanking and showing signs of failure that 90% of businesses that have failed in the past have shown.

Some people like longshots...I don't.

I'm not claiming to be able to see the future like some kind of mystic. I'm telling you that every single indication points to failure for him. Sample size is small, yes...of course. But you can project college skills to the NFL, look at a lack of talent surrounding a player, look at a trainwreck of an off-season and then look at major flaws in a guy's game that successful QB's do not have and say that failure is extraordinarily likely. I'm not just looking at his completion percentage or a few bad plays here in the pre-season games. I'm looking at flaws that just about no Quarterbacks fix.

I'm extremely confident he'll fail. You seem to be relatively confident he won't.

I mean whatever. But you know goddamn well I'll remind you of this conversation one he's done. I still remember the one we had about when the Browns Head Coaching search supposedly wasn't an embarrassment and that according to you, guys weren't turning them down. :chuckles:

Boomer is an asshole. Fuck him

Rob said:

Boomer is an asshole. Fuck him

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Do we all remember how much everyone hated Dilfer when he criticized the Browns organization with Savage in charge and said they were dysfunctional?

The Oi said:

I'm extremely confident he'll fail. You seem to be relatively confident he won't.

I mean whatever. But you know goddamn well I'll remind you of this conversation one he's done. I still remember the one we had about when the Browns Head Coaching search supposedly wasn't an embarrassment and that according to you, guys weren't turning them down. :chuckles:

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Nonono. I'm relatively confident that it's too early. I don't have the answer. While you're gravedigging for your "told ya so" material, you can look into my pre-draft opinion of Manziel.

Go ahead and remind me that you (unsurprisingly) chose a guy to fail. There are over 224 guys drafted each year and about 20% of them will have a respectable career in the NFL. You taking the greater chances really doesn't mean shit. :chuckles:

Enjoy it, though. I feel good for you that your ego is fed through this forum. I won't be digging your shit up.