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The Brian Hoyer thread...

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Binkster said:
Hey, I'm not saying you're rooting against the Browns, that's unfair and you won't get that from me.

I also don't think you're unjustified in pointing out the negatives as there has been, as everyone knows, more negative than positive the past 15 years - and that might be the understatement of the century.

What I DO think is that honing in on the shortcomings has become your hallmark. Hey, what the hell, if nothing else it sparks good debate and provides entertainment value so more power to you.

EDIT: I also want to clarify for the umpteenth time that I, in no way, am placing Hoyer in the top 10 category, never have, and there's a chance I never will (hopfully I'm proven wrong). I know we've gone down that road with Gordon in the past. Now THAT I will argue. :chuckle:
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It's awe-inspiring that I have basically the same level of expectations and rationality for the Browns and Indians, yet on one board I'm considered the ultimate homer and on this board the ultimate hater. :chuckle:

I would suggest my hallmark has been offering up relentlessly sound draft advice and then watching the players I disliked crash and burn in Cleveland.

Any other commentary I would describe as realistic. I'm absolutely loving what Hoyer's done thus far, and he's firmly entrenched as the starter in Cleveland for what should be the forseeable future barring any sort of catastrophic league adjustment that renders him as useless as Derek Anderson.

All I've argued is to pump the brakes on the top 10 QB talk, which may not have been said by you but has still been out there for a few weeks now.
 
^ Yes, you've experienced so much undue hardship from your down-the-middle takes... :chuckle:
 
Soda said:
^ Yes, you've experienced so much undue hardship from your down-the-middle takes... :chuckle:
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Just calling it like I see it.

Sometimes you're gonna be wrong, sometimes you're gonna be right.

Maybe I was a bit off in my prediction that Brandon Weeden would take the league by storm, but sometimes you have to keep your head up and keep forming educated opinions.
 
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Some updated Monday morning Hoyer rankings that may spark some debate...

Among 40 NFL QBs in 2014 to garner starting reps, Hoyer ranks:
  • 19th in total passing yards (1,008)
  • 22nd in completion percentage (62.1)
  • 12th in yards per attempt (7.64)
  • 9th in passer rating (97.7)
  • T-15th in TDs (6)
  • T-13th in yards per game (252)
  • T-2nd in INTs (1)
  • 8th in total QBR (72.1) for those of you who care
End of the day, he's getting the job done - a very good QB, middle of the pack, and a deserved NFL starter.

Come from behind wins are unaccounted for as is moxie, where he ranks first in the NFL.
 
The Voice said:
Hoyer is not Favre!


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Huh? I said he was? I said if Rodgers could wait 4 years, it won't kill Manziel to wait a few.

How hateful are some of you? Seriously? I mean, yeah, I get it the Browns have disappointed you, and myself for years. But it's like whenever we get a little good fortune thrown our way, some of you treat it like its herpes. It's like some of you don't know how to act, whenever we actually win.

We're not going the SB, and we're probably (although I'm not throwing it away, this division blows) a playoff team.

But we're 2-2 right now, we have a weak ass schedule, our QB looks good. If this damn defense can figure it out, this might actually be a good year for us.
 
Conversely, when the Browns start to show signs of life, many fans get themselves worked up to the point of convincing themselves Brian Hoyer is a top 10 QB.

These things happen, got to find a middle point.

I'll be there to condescend to both sides equally. I don't discriminate either way.


The group of old men behind me at Quaker were clamoring for Johnny Football all game, it was truly astonishing.

"I doubt they'd even be in this hole if he (Manziel) were in there" - Actual quote
 
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I don't know why I bother listening to talk radio. I tuned in to kiley and booms on the way too work and you would think the Browns lost.

It seems like booms is rooting for hoyer to fail so manziel can start. He has manziel shoved so far up his ass it's crazy. And I'm not even going to comment about kiley he is a fucking moron.

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AZ_ said:
Conversely, when the Browns start to show signs of life, many fans get themselves worked up to the point of convincing themselves Brian Hoyer is a top 10 QB.

These things happen, got to find a middle point.

I'll be there to condescend to both sides equally. I don't discriminate either way.


The group of old men behind me at Quaker were clamoring for Johnny Football all game, it was truly astonishing.

"I doubt they'd even be in this hole if he (Manziel) were in there" - Actual quote
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These things piss me off to no end. Chuck Booms deserves to lose his job or at the very least, doesn't deserve a platform to spew his bullshit.

I get that it's his job to stir up debate, but his take is just so inane and clueless it's almost becoming obvious he's playing the devil's advocate.

He actually cited Jake Locker's "success in the NFL" as a reason to start Manziel this morning. JAKE LOCKER.
 
AZ_ said:
It's awe-inspiring that I have basically the same level of expectations and rationality for the Browns and Indians, yet on one board I'm considered the ultimate homer and on this board the ultimate hater. :chuckle:

I would suggest my hallmark has been offering up relentlessly sound draft advice and then watching the players I disliked crash and burn in Cleveland.

Any other commentary I would describe as realistic. I'm absolutely loving what Hoyer's done thus far, and he's firmly entrenched as the starter in Cleveland for what should be the forseeable future barring any sort of catastrophic league adjustment that renders him as useless as Derek Anderson.

All I've argued is to pump the brakes on the top 10 QB talk, which may not have been said by you but has still been out there for a few weeks now.
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Did you like Mingo and Gilbert? Because those guys stink.
 
AZ_ said:
I was on board with Mingo, certainly.

While I was on board with Gilbert, I'm not nearly stupid enough to form an opinion of Gilbert after five games.
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It seems like you made an opinion on Hoyer after only a few starts... but you wouldn't be nearly stupid enough to do something like that, would you?

Edit: and JFF after 0 games. Amirite?
 
I, for one, don't think Mingo stinks. I do think that they are making a critical mistake by not utilizing him in the pass rush. Lack of a pass rush is one of many things plaguing this defense.

I'm not qualified to say that as fact, but it's my opinion.
 
Orange Julius said:
It seems like you made an opinion on Hoyer after only a few starts... but you wouldn't be nearly stupid enough to do something like that, would you?

Edit: and JFF after 0 games. Amirite?
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My opinion of Manziel is based on what I know from college and how I think it translates.

What specifically about Justin Gilbert's college tape do you think will prevent him from being a solid NFL cornerback?
 
jonmchugh said:
I don't know why I bother listening to talk radio. I tuned in to kiley and booms on the way too work and you would think the Browns lost.

It seems like booms is rooting for hoyer to fail so manziel can start. He has manziel shoved so far up his ass it's crazy. And I'm not even going to comment about kiley he is a fucking moron.

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Such is the state of sports talk radio in Cleveland. To put it in the nicest way possible, it's fucking pathetic garbage with very few exceptions.
 
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