Oh for sure I completely understand that. And I totally get being outraged that a character you love had something horrible happen to them. I mean, that was the Red Wedding and the dozens of other horrifying things that have happened to these characters all over again. I'm more surprised at the people mad at HBO and the writers as if how could they show something so horrible on a show about horrible thing after horrible thing. Confusing to me.
So people are outraged that the scene was in the show or outraged that Ramsay did such a thing?
Personally I found the scene upsetting but as a huge fan of the books and the series, I know it's a dark story and a dark world, I'm obviously not "offended" by it. Just like any other horrible thing done by someone in the story, I'm hoping Ramsay gets his comeuppance.
I'm wondering if they really are just going to sub Sansa in for Jeyne and have Theon and Sansa escape Winterfell and run right into the clutches of Stannis. If they do, I have zero clue where the story for Sansa goes from there.
Will Theon tell Sansa he didn't kill her brothers? I imagine she'd have to in order to get her talking to him, and the preview for next week shows them talking or at least implies it.
Yeah, like Q-Tip said, people were outraged that it was gratuitous and a big swath of the show-hating book reader crowd basically swore off the show "for good" last night. That AngryGoTFan guy basically called it an affront to woman, posted phone numbers for victims of abuse to call, and more or less called the showrunners monsters.So people are outraged that the scene was in the show or outraged that Ramsay did such a thing?
Personally I found the scene upsetting but as a huge fan of the books and the series, I know it's a dark story and a dark world, I'm obviously not "offended" by it. Just like any other horrible thing done by someone in the story, I'm hoping Ramsay gets his comeuppance.
I'm wondering if they really are just going to sub Sansa in for Jeyne and have Theon and Sansa escape Winterfell and run right into the clutches of Stannis. If they do, I have zero clue where the story for Sansa goes from there.
I assume so. That scene gives him the moral push to overcome his fear, be honest with her, and flee Reek with Sansa. And it gives her a motive to take the same risk.
How either of them get to that point believably without that scene is beyond me.
Yeah, like Q-Tip said, people were outraged that it was gratuitous and a big swath of the show-hating book reader crowd basically swore off the show "for good" last night. That AngryGoTFan guy basically called it an affront to woman, posted phone numbers for victims of abuse to call, and more or less called the showrunners monsters.
A lost of the recaps echoed some of that. Greenwald for one, and a few others.
Basically people said that an act like that should never be a plot device. Which, I mean, it's horrible, brutal thing done by a psychopathic monster of a character. But, it literally is a plot device dozens upon dozens of times in the books, and even a number of times on the show. So I don't really understand that.
The one fair criticism I did see is that they spent a great deal of time building up Sansa to finally be a strong, take charge, independent player in this game, and if they use this kind of action to strip her back down to just a meek feminine pawn, then yeah I can understand the anger. But I just get the sense that Sansa is going to continue to be a strong character and will still be a catalyst for the downfall of the Boltons.
Yeah I was surprised to see Dolorous Elio as one of the ones being on board with it.The more I dwell on it, the more I like the change of having it be Sansa over Jeyne Poole. The escape will be that much more satisfying, as will anything that happens to Roose/Ramsay.
I will say, that as uncomfortable as it was to see Sansa in that position, if they DIDN'T have Ramsay do it, it would have been a huge cop out on the show. Hell, even Elio has said as much on Twitter.
Yeah I was surprised to see Dolorous Elio as one of the ones being on board with it.