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I saw quite a few feminists who are in my classes swear off of GOT after last night because of their use of rape as a plot device.

Jesus....it's a show.

So they better have never/never watch CSI, Law & Order, almost any damn show out that is not a comedy now-a-days. Scenes like that are powerful to some viewers to make them feel greatly either way for one/both of the characters. Awful what happened to her, in the show, and now everyone is rooting for her so much more now.

You should dress up as Ramsay and go to their Halloween party this year, by the way.
 
I am not following the rape bit. It was their wedding night, and she new she was consummating her marriage. Was it forceful? yes. Was it degrading to have reek watch? yes. He showed his true colors after the vows were said, surprising no one but maybe Sansa?
 
This clearly isn't a series I read before hand so I guess that's the problem.
 
Yeah, like Q-Tip said, people were outraged that it was gratuitous and a big swath of the show-hating book reader crowd basically swore off the show "for good" last night. That AngryGoTFan guy basically called it an affront to woman, posted phone numbers for victims of abuse to call, and more or less called the showrunners monsters.

First, f*ck the feminist POV on this. Theon was repeatedly brutalized much worse, including rape, and I don't recall them being all offended at his sexual brutalization being used as a plot device then. They didn't swear off the books when Jeyne was raped and brutalized much worse in the books as well.

It's just that it happened to Sansa. And they're already pissed off that there isn't the anticipated romance between Sansa and the Hound -- just freaking gag me already.

The one fair criticism I did see is that they spent a great deal of time building up Sansa to finally be a strong, take charge, independent player in this game, and if they use this kind of action to strip her back down to just a meek feminine pawn, then yeah I can understand the anger. But I just get the sense that Sansa is going to continue to be a strong character and will still be a catalyst for the downfall of the Boltons.

Honestly, this is the one criticism I absolutely do not get. In the books, Sansa has been an actual prisoner of either Joffrey or LF since the first book. When last we see her in the books, she still is a prisoner with very little freedom of action. And in the show, it was basically the same thing except LF tagged off to Ramsay. Still a prisoner. And in every one of those cases, she essentially valued her life over the other indignities/cruelties, (as would many other people in similar circumstances), which made her easy to intimidate/manipulate/control. The Sansa fanclub was willing to be satisfied with tiny little symbolic victories, like buildlng a stupid snow castle, as proof of her growing "agency" (gag).

But it is this scene that likely pushes her to be desperate enough to risk her life to escape physical captivity -- the same effect Ramsay's brutality had on Jeyne in the books. And once she's outside of Winterfell, and no longer subject to the whims of Joffrey, or LF, or Ramsay, that's when she'll finally be able to take on a more active role in the story. So, I don't see it as going backwards for her -- I see it as actually moving forward because freedom is likely much, much closer for her than it's ever been.

I suppose I'd agree that if they don't have her risk her life to escape Winterfell, then the scene is kind of pointless. But really -- what are the odds of that? They've brought Brienne to Winterfell for some reason, and there's little point in having Sansa/Theon interactions if they're not going to do something significant with it.

This is the clearest indication in either the books or show that Sansa is finally on a real path to no longer being a captive/victim, and they're pissed . I imagine they'd have preferred if she'd just lectured all the Boltons on third-wave feminism until they all fell asleep, then just walked out of the front gate.
 
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I am not following the rape bit. It was their wedding night, and she new she was consummating her marriage. Was it forceful? yes. Was it degrading to have reek watch? yes. He showed his true colors after the vows were said, surprising no one but maybe Sansa?

Yeah, I mean, that's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is she clearly didn't want to do it, he tore her clothes off and bent her over the bed and fucked her (presumably violently) while Theon was forced to watch.

It's pretty rapey when you take in all the context. At the end of the day the word "rape" is just semantics, as we are clearly supposed to abhor what happened, due to Theon's reaction, Sansa's reaction, the score, and as I said, all the context.

Yes, Sansa obviously knew it was going to happen as that is what is expected to happen in this world on the wedding night. She knew Ramsay was going to sleep with her. Not sure she quite knew it was going to happen in that fashion but it's moot as we all know what a vile little fucker Ramsay is and now Sansa has even more ammunition to want to see the Boltons fall.
 
Yeah, echoing what stereo said, I saw quite a few feminists who are in my classes swear off of GOT after last night because of their use of rape as a plot device. Seems kinda ridiculous to me but whatever. Their loss. I agree with those who are saying that scene was about theon as much as it was about sansa. Alfie Allen has been brilliant playing a broken man. I can't wait to see his redemption arc. It was my favorite part of ADWD.

Can you imagine how many fans have been converted to Stannis fans without him even appearing in the episode? They are gonna be rooting for him so hard now.

This society has gone fucking insane.

So easily disgusted by rape in a fake world that they say shit like this.

Meanwhile, all the murdering that they've seen in the show? Eh, who cares? It's just fake, after all!
 
This society has gone fucking insane.

So easily disgusted by rape in a fake world that they say shit like this.

Meanwhile, all the murdering that they've seen in the show? Eh, who cares? It's just fake, after all!
Too many #SocialJusticeWarriors in this world if you ask me. Can get pretty obnoxious. Twitter activists at their worst. Meanwhile they will continue watching shows that feature murder and gratuitous violence as a plot device and not make a peep.

They'll watch next week's episode anyway. Who are they fooling?
 
It's funny that everyone is all offended by Sansa getting raped but ignoring the fact that Dany was raped in literally the first episode of the series as a plot device.
 
I'd love to get inside the mind of a person who thinks it's wrong or dangerous to use rape as a plot device but was perfectly fine with Jaime getting his hand cut off as a plot device. The Gawker media complex has been railing and railing on this all day. God do I hate every single Gawker affiliated website. Make Buzzfeed seem professional.
 
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It's funny that everyone is all offended by Sansa getting raped but ignoring the fact that Dany was raped in literally the first episode of the series as a plot device.

And there's the whole "throw a child out the window" as a plot device as well.

I don't read Gawker, but how outraged were they at Theon's rape/mutilation/torture? I'm guessing...not much.
 
Kind of beating a dead horse here. Nobody on this site is offended by it in the sense that they are going to stop watching the show, so we're preaching to the choir.

I do remember Dany's rape being brought up when it occurred, though.
 
So... Bronn got cut on the arm by a dagger.

If they kill Bronn we riot.
 
That Bronn dying theory is like everywhere. Whoever thought it up needs to go away.
 

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