Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

ajz20 said:

Problem with the Joe Johnson deal is having to include Andy and not having a 4th big. Also, their are conflicting reports but it seems like both sides walked away amd both teams seem to dislike the deal at present. nets dont want Andy, and the Cavs need a 4th big with Love coming off injury. I would hesitate to say the deal is there anytime we want it. In fact, I would say as of now it is a long shot at best. Trade scenarios that are leaked usually dont materalize. I would bet the trade that goes down is something we have not even heard about. I doubt the cavs are going to to wait until the last minute and risk it.

We have 3 weeks to find the best deal. Hopefully at this time next week we have a our guy, the longer it goes the more dangerous it gets that you miss out.

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The Red Viper said:

There have been rumours about interest in Amar'e.

Also, there are still some decent bigs who can be 4th choice. Scola would have been a good option. But, there are others like Jordan Hill, Kevin Seraphin etc. I know many would dislike it but someone like Andrea Bargnani would be a good option as fourth choice big. He was never worth the contract that he got paid but as a fourth big, he would be good. He can stretch the floor and is a good shooter.

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The Red Viper said:

There have been rumours about interest in Amar'e.

Also, there are still some decent bigs who can be 4th choice. Scola would have been a good option. But, there are others like Jordan Hill, Kevin Seraphin etc. I know many would dislike it but someone like Andrea Bargnani would be a good option as fourth choice big. He was never worth the contract that he got paid but as a fourth big, he would be good. He can stretch the floor and is a good shooter.

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Paul said:

You're right, we can't really trust the media to know what's going on there and there's conflicting messages. Windy feels like it's in the Cav's court to do the deal. My guess is they will wait and think about it and see if the Nets sweeten the offer. I don't think there's much incentive for the Cavs to strike quickly since it seems poor strategy to do the deal rapidly and then let other teams use the chip for their own trades. I do honestly think there's good reason for the Nets to take the deal. They are going to lose Joe Johnson (highly likely anyways) and at least this way they can get cash savings and potentially a reserve big man if Andy comes back from the injury. They could then use Andy's non guaranteed salary later on I think. The Nets might be a playoff team with Joe Johnson on the roster but their realistic odds to make it to even the ECF seem slim. So losing Joe Johnson maybe changes them from a 43 win team to a 37 win team, but they save tens of millions. They don't really have any other suitors thus far for a 25 mil contract.

Trades that are leaked usually don't materialize but I would argue that most trades that get done were leaked prior to the deal, or some close variant of them.

Regarding losing Andy, I guess it depends on how optimistic you are that he can play soild minutes for us and also not be hurt for the playoffs. I am not really optimistic about his future prospects, and I think we could land some sort of serviceable big that we could use as the 4th big. We would still have Love, TT and Mozgov and LeBron tends to play the 4 quite a bit in the playoffs so I think it could work even if we grabbed some relative scrub for a vet minimum deal or for whatever is left of the MMLE.

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Chris Parker said:

The trade needed a third team to faciilitate it.

Further, there is no use for the Nets to tank in any way since they don't control their picks the next 3 yrs, so while they can save salary, they also don't want to suck since they are still building that Brooklyn fanbase and it serves no purpose but to demoralize the fan base.

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The Red Viper said:

There have been rumours about interest in Amar'e.

Also, there are still some decent bigs who can be 4th choice. Scola would have been a good option. But, there are others like Jordan Hill, Kevin Seraphin etc. I know many would dislike it but someone like Andrea Bargnani would be a good option as fourth choice big. He was never worth the contract that he got paid but as a fourth big, he would be good. He can stretch the floor and is a good shooter.

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Chris Parker said:

I've thought about Bargnani, except he was among worst big man in the league in by DRPM

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cavsfever said:

I disagree with this, because I think that Johnson is the only guy we have a shot at who *materially* increases our shot at a championship. Someone like Crawford by contrast I think could actually harm us when he is on the court. Lebron's window isn't going to last forever. Trying to break a 50 year championship drought, you have to spend money and take risks. An extra $30 million of multi-billionaire Dan Gilbert's money for materially increasing your chance of a championship ring? With no long-term commitment that harms the team in future years? As a fan I'll take that every day and twice on Sunday.

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Green Lantern said:

I have pondered something which I realize is not going to materalize.
Think for a second that there have been some big men drafted in the second round that have contributed a lot..
Might be a good thing to find out what the rookie Rakeem Christmas has,
Forget the ''The Cavs don't have time for him to develope " replays(not saying U said it) but why not?
He won't cost anything , is already a defensive player and is young , which is what Griff wants on the backend of the bench anyway.
Being young he can come in just to give even the backup some minutes to rest and learn the NBA game during the season.If he sucks he won't be on the team after the summer league but what of he doesn't suck?
Then you have a valuable piece that belongs to you anyway.

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ajz20 said:

Bottom line, as pointed out by Parkerand other posters, the Nets deal is not happening unless the Nats have a huge change of heart and the Cavs don't look like they want to make the deal either.
I just hope we are not stuck in the last week looking for a deal because then other teams will have the time leverage over us . We just need to get a decent bench player here, and be realistic that we will not be getting a stud.

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