Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

[I'mWithDan]

Our best bet is Joe Johnson. Brooklyn can get under the tax limit with the Haywood + Andy trade for Joe Johnson. That is why it is realstic and possible. Teams who are looking to rebuild and are under the tax limit won't be giving away their best players just to dump Haywood's contract.

I still think the entire board needs to temper their expectations when it comes to Johnson.

If I had to guess, our interest in Johnson probably wained considerably when Brooklyn signed RHJ to his contract. While it would be nice to move Andy, I don't think it's worth saving Brooklyn some $50-60 million dollars if we're not getting a young asset in return (wether that be a player or a pick).

Ownership is going to have swallow a tax bill of an additional $30 million dollars for one guaranteed year of Johnson. To me, he's just not worth that type of short term hit.

I think we're better off with a lesser move such as Crawford, not because he's a better player but because he's good enough. Take that $30 million you would have spent on taxes and stash it for next season, when Mozgov needs to get an extension.

Haywood becomes more valuable once free agency completely settles IMO. At that point, teams know where they stand and some GM's will decide to potentially tear down parts of their roster because there are no options for improvement.

 

[Kbiz]

View: https://twitter.com/mcten/status/618799052914753536

Working on his best sitting posture, with an added focus on towel waving, all the while fine-tuning new wrinkles in his handshake technique.

 

[Redzone]

Even though I've been long suggesting the Haywood contract does not have the value that some here believe (due to the failure to do anything with the Wally Z. expiring some years ago and the limited value we gave up to Boston to buy room last year when the Cavs were more desparate last year to add LeBron than any team is now--but nonetheless was pronounced a big get for Boston), let's not turn into chicken littles.

There is still plenty of time and teams won't get serious until the end of the month. I believe Dan Gilbert might just waive Haywood for nothing if he doesn't get the value he believes he should get, and teams might realize this. A lot can happen in a day, a week or several weeks to change the landscape. Haywood's contract has value not just for a team to acquire a player, but for teams to save tax money this year or next for the Durant sweepstakes.

It may be of lower value than the Cavs thought, but don't blame the Cavs for trying. They paid a chunk of money for this valuable contract and it appears to be a reasonable risk worth taking--unless we could have used his roster spot/trade his contract last year for the playoffs.

There's still lots of time. Don't expect an overnight deal. The fact that there's been little tweet chatter on this issue leads me to believe talks are getting serious, given the Cavs modus operandi of trades, etc. coming out of left field with no warning.

The more chatter about the Cavs doing something, the less likely it's coming from the Cavs and more likelihood of it coming from some other team or agent trying to gain some leverage.

Patience.

 

[stowfan]

If we end up just cutting Haywood, what will we have lost. I won't recall what all was involved in the trade for him?

 

[Scholar]

If we end up just cutting Haywood, what will we have lost. I won't recall what all was involved in the trade for him?

We won't just cut him. At the very least, we can trade him for a TPE so that we can make deals in January and February. That TPE would be like having a 10 million dollar pre-paid debit card that we could use in trade during the season. Much like we used a pair of them during our two trades in the middle of last season. Rest assured, since Gilbert has decided to spend the money, they are not just going to cut him.

 

[Redzone]

We won't just cut him. At the very least, we can trade him for a TPE so that we can make deals in January and February. That TPE would be like having a 10 million dollar pre-paid debit card that we could use in trade during the season. Much like we used a pair of them during our two trades in the middle of last season. Rest assured, since Gilbert has decided to spend the money, they are not just going to cut him.

Then you don't know Dan Gilbert. I'm not saying he wants to just cut him, but he's not going to just cave in to a low ball trade offer either.

Regardless, I don't think it comes to that. I think they already have a number of contingenty offers depending on what happens and, if you look around, lots of things are happening, which may affect a team's desire for the Haywood expiring. It's a changing landscape by the hour.

Again, assume--at least as it pertains to the Cavs--that lack of chatter means serious discussion. Twitter rumors are often started by agents or competing teams--not by teams in serious negotiations. Check out most of the Cavs' real trades that usually came out of left field.

 

[Scholar]

Then you don't know Dan Gilbert. I'm not saying he wants to just cut him, but he's not going to just cave in to a low ball trade offer either.

Regardless, I don't think it comes to that. I think they already have a number of contingenty offers depending on what happens and, if you look around, lots of things are happening, which may affect a team's desire for the Haywood expiring. It's a changing landscape by the hour.

Again, assume--at least as it pertains to the Cavs--that lack of chatter means serious discussion. Twitter rumors are often started by agents or competing teams--not by teams in serious negotiations. Check out most of the Cavs' real trades that usually came out of left field.

Your post is prefaced rather oddly. It's almost as if it was written as a response to some other post. I don't see how anything I said shows any misunderstanding of Mr Gilbert. I said that he has decided to spend the money. Something that has been shown so far to be pretty clearly true this off season. Doesn't, in any way, imply that Griff will go out to make some sub-optimal deal just to make one. Never said any such thing. But, if a move to improve the team is there, they are going to make it.

As for the TPE, I was just mentioning that it was the back up plan if they are unhappy with the offers they are seeing. If all the offers fall through, that's what they will do. They will have the rest of the trade season to use it too. This expands their ability to get use out of the Haywood contract past the August 1st deadline and into a time period where the "Pretenders" finally realize that is what they are, usually by sometime in January or February. There will be players available then that are not now. It's why they would never just cut him.

Regardless, I do expect something to be worked out before the end of the off season.

 

[Lysander]

Where do TPE's come from?

 

[malus]

Where do TPE's come from?

The Stork.

We would trade Haywood to a team under the cap.

 

[Lysander]

So we would be assuming the money for another team? Basically freeing them of $10 mil or whatever it happens to be?

 

[LuNcHBoX]

So we would be assuming the money for another team? Basically freeing them of $10 mil or whatever it happens to be?

You would trade him to a team that has 11 million available in cap space while they send you nothing back. That team gets Haywood and we get a credit that we can use to acquire players up to Haywood's salary that we sent out. The other team then cuts Haywood so they aren't effected by his salary and we lose out on whatever we had to give them to get them to do the trade.

 

[ajz20]

You would trade him to a team that has 11 million available in cap space while they send you nothing back. That team gets Haywood and we get a credit that we can use to acquire players up to Haywood's salary that we sent out. The other team then cuts Haywood so they aren't effected by his salary and we lose out on whatever we had to give them to get them to do the trade.

They would want something back in return for that favor. Probably something like Kaun Usman, or second rounders. Problem is we dont have a 2nd rounder for a while. A team could demand Joe Harris. Wont be free, they are the ones doing us a favor.

 

[Scholar]

They would want something back in return for that favor. Probably something like Kaun Usman, or second rounders. Problem is we dont have a 2nd rounder for a while. A team could demand Joe Harris. Wont be free, they are the ones doing us a favor.

We have the Minnesota second rounder we got as part of the trade on draft night.

 

[ajz20]

We have the Minnesota second rounder we got as part of the trade on draft night.

in 2020. The team knows we have until the last day of July or the contract is worthless. We wont have a lot of leverage if it is our last resort.They will ask for more. Probably Joe Harris, or even Chirstmas, unless they really like Usman.
You could always hold on to Haywod and see if you could trade him by the deadline I guess.
Just think many people over valued this "chip"

 

[malus]

They would want something back in return for that favor. Probably something like Kaun Usman, or second rounders. Problem is we dont have a 2nd rounder for a while. A team could demand Joe Harris. Wont be free, they are the ones doing us a favor.

You'd think we could get away with giving them some cash considerations or something. The other team is literally giving up nothing. Not even "nothing" like the Haywood contract, actually nothing.