Brendan Haywood's Trade Exception

[ajz20]

You'd think we could get away with giving them some cash considerations or something. The other team is literally giving up nothing. Not even "nothing" like the Haywood contract, actually nothing.

Well last summer we had to give away two second rounders for a smaller one then this.
I think 2 second rounders is the starting point. But people act like there is a huge line to give us the TPE, it will be us trying to convince the other team it is worth their time. Last time we had a huge one from 2010, we were unable to cash in. I am hoenstly not ecited at all about a TPE, where we have to give assets for something at at best has a 50/50 shot of us finding a trade partner at the deadline.

Important to remember we tried hard to trade Haywood this spring. Riley nixed a deal where we could have gotten Cole. We knew it was not 100 percent we would find a taker this summer. Many on here got carried away like we had a golden ticket, but in reality teams are not fighting over this Haywood contract.

 

[malus]

Well last summer we had to give away two second rounders for a smaller one then this. I think 2 second rounders is the starting point. But people act like there is a huge line to give us the TPE, it will be us trying to convince the other team it is worth their time. Last time we had a huge one from 2010, we were unable to cash in. I am hoenstly not ecited at all about a TPE, where we have to give assets for something at at best has a 50/50 shot of us finding a trade partner at the deadline.

Important to remember we tried hard to trade Haywood this spring. Riley nixed a deal where we could have gotten Cole. We knew it was not 100 percent we would find a taker this summer. Many on here got carried away like we had a golden ticket, but in reality teams are not fighting over this Haywood contract.

True but I think the other teams actually had to take on some salary in the Bogans deal. Haywood wouldn't cost them a dime.

 

[Scholar]

Well last summer we had to give away two second rounders for a smaller one then this.
I think 2 second rounders is the starting point. But people act like there is a huge line to give us the TPE, it will be us trying to convince the other team it is worth their time. Last time we had a huge one from 2010, we were unable to cash in. I am hoenstly not ecited at all about a TPE, where we have to give assets for something at at best has a 50/50 shot of us finding a trade partner at the deadline.

Important to remember we tried hard to trade Haywood this spring. Riley nixed a deal where we could have gotten Cole. We knew it was not 100 percent we would find a taker this summer. Many on here got carried away like we had a golden ticket, but in reality teams are not fighting over this Haywood contract.

You are remembering the trade wrong. We gave up only ONE second round pick. We did RECEIVE a different second round pick from Philly, as part of the trade. But, the conditions on it made it near impossible to ever claim. Plus, the pick we traded away was from 2018. Considering that trade was last year, it is only a one year difference from the Minnesota second rounder I mentioned. So, sounds like a single second rounder would be a reasonable place to start on this.

 

[macbdog]

I think using Haywoods deal to get a couple assets in turn for saving a luxury tax team several million is a better route to go but whatevs. The Cavs have so few assets left for trade that m not sure what a 10m trade exception really does for them later. Those simply make a trade possible, they are not an asset in and of themselves.

 

[kovanovich]

Well last summer we had to give away two second rounders for a smaller one then this.
I think 2 second rounders is the starting point. But people act like there is a huge line to give us the TPE, it will be us trying to convince the other team it is worth their time. Last time we had a huge one from 2010, we were unable to cash in. I am hoenstly not ecited at all about a TPE, where we have to give assets for something at at best has a 50/50 shot of us finding a trade partner at the deadline.

Important to remember we tried hard to trade Haywood this spring. Riley nixed a deal where we could have gotten Cole. We knew it was not 100 percent we would find a taker this summer. Many on here got carried away like we had a golden ticket, but in reality teams are not fighting over this Haywood contract.

There will be multiple teams with the requisite cap space to temporarily absorb Haywood's contract. If there were only one team, then that team could drive a hard bargain. We'll see what happens if it comes to that. I don't have a specific case offhand, but there have been instances in comparable situations when the other team just received cash considerations. My assumption is that they will have to give up something though, likely the 2019 Minny pick anyway. I also get the sense that Griffin isn't the toughest negotiator, but perhaps it's unfair of me to say that. Maybe I should be glad he has been in charge rather than Chris Grant, given Grant's penchant to extract as much as possible in trades.

People cite the Cavs' inability or decision not to use the TPE generated by the LeBron sign and trade in 2010 as an indicator they won't be able to do anything worthwhile with Haywood, but the Cavs made the decision to rebuild at that time, and so were never likely to use that TPE to take on salary. They are much more motivated to use Haywood. Of course, that doesn't mean they will be able to do so.

 

[col63onel]

Well last summer we had to give away two second rounders for a smaller one then this.
I think 2 second rounders is the starting point. But people act like there is a huge line to give us the TPE, it will be us trying to convince the other team it is worth their time. Last time we had a huge one from 2010, we were unable to cash in. I am hoenstly not ecited at all about a TPE, where we have to give assets for something at at best has a 50/50 shot of us finding a trade partner at the deadline.

Important to remember we tried hard to trade Haywood this spring. Riley nixed a deal where we could have gotten Cole. We knew it was not 100 percent we would find a taker this summer. Many on here got carried away like we had a golden ticket, but in reality teams are not fighting over this Haywood contract.

But last year Bogan's contract was guaranteed. We were renting Philly's cap space for the entire year.

Since Haywood is instantly cutable for free, we're renting their cap space for 5 minutes.

 

[Turnipwagon]

They would want something back in return for that favor. Probably something like Kaun Usman, or second rounders. Problem is we dont have a 2nd rounder for a while. A team could demand Joe Harris. Wont be free, they are the ones doing us a favor.

Seems like Minnesota owes us a solid after bailing them out last summer before Love walked with nothing in return.

 

[cavsfever]

I still think the entire board needs to temper their expectations when it comes to Johnson.

If I had to guess, our interest in Johnson probably wained considerably when Brooklyn signed RHJ to his contract. While it would be nice to move Andy, I don't think it's worth saving Brooklyn some $50-60 million dollars if we're not getting a young asset in return (wether that be a player or a pick).

Ownership is going to have swallow a tax bill of an additional $30 million dollars for one guaranteed year of Johnson. To me, he's just not worth that type of short term hit.

I think we're better off with a lesser move such as Crawford, not because he's a better player but because he's good enough. Take that $30 million you would have spent on taxes and stash it for next season, when Mozgov needs to get an extension.

Haywood becomes more valuable once free agency completely settles IMO. At that point, teams know where they stand and some GM's will decide to potentially tear down parts of their roster because there are no options for improvement.

I disagree with this, because I think that Johnson is the only guy we have a shot at who *materially* increases our shot at a championship. Someone like Crawford by contrast I think could actually harm us when he is on the court. Lebron's window isn't going to last forever. Trying to break a 50 year championship drought, you have to spend money and take risks. An extra $30 million of multi-billionaire Dan Gilbert's money for materially increasing your chance of a championship ring? With no long-term commitment that harms the team in future years? As a fan I'll take that every day and twice on Sunday.

 

[Otsego Mar]

I disagree with this, because I think that Johnson is the only guy we have a shot at who *materially* increases our shot at a championship. Someone like Crawford by contrast I think could actually harm us when he is on the court. Lebron's window isn't going to last forever. Trying to break a 50 year championship drought, you have to spend money and take risks. An extra $30 million of multi-billionaire Dan Gilbert's money for materially increasing your chance of a championship ring? With no long-term commitment that harms the team in future years? As a fan I'll take that every day and twice on Sunday.

And, let's say we happen to win it all next year. If Johnson still wants to play (and can at a high level) we could probably get him at a decent salary for another 2 years.

 

[Derek]

How much extra money does Joe Johnson really cost us? Unless you want to cut Haywood, and pocket that money, it was going to get spent somewhere. Joe Johnson's contract is also expiring after this season, Varejao's isn't. That could potentially save us a few million next year to put toward Mozgov.

 

[abrahavt]

How about Markieff Morris and Gerald Green. You can trade Markieff if you don't want him and use Green whose is a pretty good 3 pt shooter to back up Lebron. Then sign JR and be done with it.

 

[kovanovich]

How about Markieff Morris and Gerald Green. You can trade Markieff if you don't want him and use Green whose is a pretty good 3 pt shooter to back up Lebron. Then sign JR and be done with it.

Green is a free agent and the rules prevent the Cavs from trading for him.

He has been mentioned as a possible replacement for Smith as a free agent signing, but he would be limited to a vet minimum at this point, and no one thinks it likely that a 29 year old who hasn't made much money will sign for the Cavs for the minimum especially now with more money out there in terms of capspace.

 

[Paul]

I'm starting to think that the Haywood deal won't be done til maybe late late July because the Cavs may be wary of another team turning around and reusing the Haywood chip for their own gains. Hopefully the Joe Johnson offer is sort of the standby deal that only the Cavs would possibly take on. Maybe while we sit on that we can explore better values.

 

[ajz20]

I'm starting to think that the Haywood deal won't be done til maybe late late July because the Cavs may be wary of another team turning around and reusing the Haywood chip for their own gains. Hopefully the Joe Johnson offer is sort of the standby deal that only the Cavs would possibly take on. Maybe while we sit on that we can explore better values.

Problem with the Joe Johnson deal is having to include Andy and not having a 4th big. Also, their are conflicting reports but it seems like both sides walked away amd both teams seem to dislike the deal at present. nets dont want Andy, and the Cavs need a 4th big with Love coming off injury. I would hesitate to say the deal is there anytime we want it. In fact, I would say as of now it is a long shot at best. Trade scenarios that are leaked usually dont materalize. I would bet the trade that goes down is something we have not even heard about. I doubt the cavs are going to to wait until the last minute and risk it.

We have 3 weeks to find the best deal. Hopefully at this time next week we have a our guy, the longer it goes the more dangerous it gets that you miss out.

 

[The Red Viper]

Problem with the Joe Johnson deal is having to include Andy and not having a 4th big. Also, their are conflicting reports but it seems like both sides walked away amd both teams seem to dislike the deal at present. nets dont want Andy, and the Cavs need a 4th big with Love coming off injury. I would hesitate to say the deal is there anytime we want it. In fact i would say as of now it is a long shot at best.

We have 3 weeks to find the best deal. Hopefully at this time next week we have a our guy, the longer it goes the more dangerous it gets that you miss out

There have been rumours about interest in Amar'e.

Also, there are still some decent bigs who can be 4th choice. Scola would have been a good option. But, there are others like Jordan Hill, Kevin Seraphin etc. I know many would dislike it but someone like Andrea Bargnani would be a good option as fourth choice big. He was never worth the contract that he got paid but as a fourth big, he would be good. He can stretch the floor and is a good shooter.