So long, David Griffin

Mike Zicarelli said:

Thank you Griff

He essentially turned Mike Dunleavy Jr, a retired Mo Williams, an injured Chris Anderson, and a 2019 first round pick into Kyle Korver, Derrick Williams, Deron Williams, and Andrew Bogut.

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this was all made possible by the sign and trade from not matching Milwaukees RFA offer.
Transaction history
Traded Matthew Dellavedova to the Milwaukee Bucks for Albert Miralles and $200K. Cleveland create $4.8M trade exception with this deal
Traded Albert Miralles to the Chicago Bulls for Mike Dunleavy and Vladimir Veremeenko. - Cleveland used Delly's 4.8 TPE
Traded a 2017 1st round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2018 1st round draft pick. (2018 1st-Rd pick is Cleveland's own pick, previously traded to Portland in Feb. 2016)
Traded Mike Dunleavy, Mo Williams and a 2019 1st round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Kyle Korver. (2019 1st-Rd Pick is top-10 protected)
++ they also used part of the AV trade exception to create new exceptions for Dunleavy and mo Williams that don't expire until next January

Although People seem to dismiss the value of the Portland trade to swap picks. It allowed them to put a protection on the pick as insurance in case something really goes wrong that season.

so while some like to cry about losing Delly. Griffin was able to turn it into a positive.

Tornicade said:

this was all made possible by the sign and trade from not matching Milwaukees RFA offer.
Transaction history
Traded Matthew Dellavedova to the Milwaukee Bucks for Albert Miralles and $200K. Cleveland create $4.8M trade exception with this deal
Traded Albert Miralles to the Chicago Bulls for Mike Dunleavy and Vladimir Veremeenko. - Cleveland used Delly's 4.8 TPE
Traded a 2017 1st round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2018 1st round draft pick. (2018 1st-Rd pick is Cleveland's own pick, previously traded to Portland in Feb. 2016)
Traded Mike Dunleavy, Mo Williams and a 2019 1st round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Kyle Korver. (2019 1st-Rd Pick is top-10 protected)
++ they also used part of the AV trade exception to create new exceptions for Dunleavy and mo Williams that don't expire until next January

Although People seem to dismiss the value of the Portland trade to swap picks. It allowed them to put a protection on the pick as insurance in case something really goes wrong that season.

so while some like to cry about losing Delly. Griffin was able to turn it into a positive.

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Save this. Delly will return to the Cavs when his deal with Milwaukee is up. Book it.

Simon said:

Save this. Delly will return to the Cavs when his deal with Milwaukee is up. Book it.

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I wouldn't mind trading Shump for Delly next year and I actually think it's very possible it happens.

JMoneyYourHoney said:

I wouldn't mind trading Shump for Delly next year and I actually think it's very possible it happens.

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No offense to either player, but I think we can do better.

I like the idea of trading Shump for two slightly lesser players, one vet who is sturdy and steady at his role on and one younger player who maybe hasn't blossomed yet and is undervalued, but could grow next to LeBron in the same way we've seen Derrick Williams shine so far.

Or, attaching a valuable asset(Cedi or 2021 pick) along with Shump and aiming higher.

Of course, so much will be dependent on retaining Korver and Deron

Interesting to see that Griff saved Gilbert significant dollars on the payroll and tax while making extremely significant upgrades to the roster.

Yet people insist he doesn't deserve credit as being a top level GM just because he has Lebron on the roster? I say, bullshit.

If having Lebron is the only thing it takes to build a championship roster, and anyone could build a championship roster as long as Lebron is on the team, what happened in Lebron's first stint here? Why couldn't the previous GMs do what Griff has done the past few years?

Griffin's patience landed us more than anyone could have hoped for while cutting payroll. I think anyone wanting to deny him the props he
deserves must have job envy or something.

Tornicade said:

this was all made possible by the sign and trade from not matching Milwaukees RFA offer.
Transaction history
Traded Matthew Dellavedova to the Milwaukee Bucks for Albert Miralles and $200K. Cleveland create $4.8M trade exception with this deal
Traded Albert Miralles to the Chicago Bulls for Mike Dunleavy and Vladimir Veremeenko. - Cleveland used Delly's 4.8 TPE
Traded a 2017 1st round draft pick to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2018 1st round draft pick. (2018 1st-Rd pick is Cleveland's own pick, previously traded to Portland in Feb. 2016)
Traded Mike Dunleavy, Mo Williams and a 2019 1st round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Kyle Korver. (2019 1st-Rd Pick is top-10 protected)
++ they also used part of the AV trade exception to create new exceptions for Dunleavy and mo Williams that don't expire until next January

Although People seem to dismiss the value of the Portland trade to swap picks. It allowed them to put a protection on the pick as insurance in case something really goes wrong that season.

so while some like to cry about losing Delly. Griffin was able to turn it into a positive.

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We had other TPEs we could have used even if we hadn't generated the TPE giving Delly to the Bucks. We even let a TPE expire this year. One thing we have never been short of is TPEs.

But it's all OK because Deron Williams is a better backup PG than Delly!

The reason the payroll is going down is because when you sign a player to a vet min contact during the season, they only receive a pro rated amount. In the cases of both of the DWills and Bogut, they are signing essentially half a contract.

The reason we were able to acquire talent and lower the payroll is that this year featured to most robust buyout market in recent years (if not ever). Dumping contracts like Mo and Birdman are pretty common practice. While it's great that we are finally get lucky breaks like this, it's still lucky, the same way the Warriors lucked out that the cap spike occurred the same year Durant was a FA and the year before Curry's contract was up.

buzzdog said:

Interesting to see that Griff saved Gilbert significant dollars on the payroll and tax while making extremely significant upgrades to the roster.

Yet people insist he doesn't deserve credit as being a top level GM just because he has Lebron on the roster? I say, bullshit.

If having Lebron is the only thing it takes to build a championship roster, and anyone could build a championship roster as long as Lebron is on the team, what happened in Lebron's first stint here? Why couldn't the previous GMs do what Griff has done the past few years?

Griffin's patience landed us more than anyone could have hoped for while cutting payroll. I think anyone wanting to deny him the props he
deserves must have job envy or something.

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One of the most challenging things in the NBA is to be able to add talent when you are over the cap and the rules generally make it very difficult to do anything. While obviously none of this matters if LeBron is not part of the team, it takes real skills to do so much when everyone believes you can do nothing.

cavsfever said:

We had other TPEs we could have used even if we hadn't generated the TPE giving Delly to the Bucks. We even let a TPE expire this year. One thing we have never been short of is TPEs.

But it's all OK because Deron Williams is a better backup PG than Delly!

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AV trade exception 9.3 million.
Mike Dunleavy Salary 4.8
Kyle Korver 5.2
Salary combine = 10 million

As you can see if Griffin had used AV exception on Dunleavy.

He wouldn't have a 4.8 million exception that's valid through January of 2018.

Using the Delly TPE put the Cavs in the best shape.

col63onel said:

The reason the payroll is going down is because when you sign a player to a vet min contact during the season, they only receive a pro rated amount. In the cases of both of the DWills and Bogut, they are signing essentially half a contract.

The reason we were able to acquire talent and lower the payroll is that this year featured to most robust buyout market in recent years (if not ever). Dumping contracts like Mo and Birdman are pretty common practice. While it's great that we are finally get lucky breaks like this, it's still lucky, the same way the Warriors lucked out that the cap spike occurred the same year Durant was a FA and the year before Curry's contract was up.

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No, dumping Birdman is just pure genius. No GM could have managed that maneuver.

You must have job envy or something.

Rich said:

No, dumping Birdman is just pure genius. No GM could have managed that maneuver.

You must have job envy or something.

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Well, some kinda envy, anyway.....

Mike Zicarelli said:

Thank you Griff

He essentially turned Mike Dunleavy Jr, a retired Mo Williams, an injured Chris Anderson, and a 2019 first round pick into Kyle Korver, Derrick Williams, Deron Williams, and Andrew Bogut.

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This what annoys people.

He did? David Griffin is why Andrew Bogut and Deron Williams are here? Not LeBron James?

Tornicade said:

He wouldn't have a 4.8 million exception that's valid through January of 2018.

Using the Delly TPE put the Cavs in the best shape.

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TBH, I probably would've rather had Delly moving forward than a 4.8 mil TPE. With the cap spike, a lit less likely that a useful player making 4.8 or less needs to be moved, and if they do there are teams below the floor that would serve as competition.

The counter argument is that part of the reason Delly wasn't retained is his the luxury tax hit his contract would've generated, which is Gilbert's call.

Rich said:

He did? David Griffin is why Andrew Bogut and Deron Williams are here? Not LeBron James?

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Both. And really, Griff deserves more credit for this than LeBron because LeBron wanted to waste these roster spots on Mario Chalmers and Lance Stephenson a couple months ago.

Griff deserves credit for correctly showing patience and waiting it out to try to get the best possible player(s) on this team. LeBron did not want to wait. Many GMs would not have waited.

buzzdog said:

Interesting to see that Griff saved Gilbert significant dollars on the payroll and tax while making extremely significant upgrades to the roster.

Yet people insist he doesn't deserve credit as being a top level GM just because he has Lebron on the roster? I say, bullshit.

If having Lebron is the only thing it takes to build a championship roster, and anyone could build a championship roster as long as Lebron is on the team, what happened in Lebron's first stint here? Why couldn't the previous GMs do what Griff has done the past few years?

Griffin's patience landed us more than anyone could have hoped for while cutting payroll. I think anyone wanting to deny him the props he
deserves must have job envy or something.

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Again, nobody has said he hasn't done a great job with the task he's been assigned. He turned what the Cavs had when LeBron came back into a championship caliber roster.

To answer your question about LeBron's first go around here, last time, the Cavs didn't have a number 1 pick, let alone 2, outside of LeBron. I'm not counting Bennett for obvious reasons.

The Cavs had Irving on the roster when Griff took over. He did a great job locking Kyrie up long term asap, however.

He then lucked into the trade chip that became Kevin Love. It's not like Griff was some incredible visionary that saw more in Love than anyone else did. It was pretty clear that the Cavs were desperate to get him for some time, and almost the entire league has dreamed of what he and LeBron could do together since Love first became a star.

Griff's best transactions as the Cavs gm have been the trades he's made for role players, however, not all of them have been as amazing as the move that brought in JR and Shump.

He's handed out some contracts that haven't been the best as well.

Personally, the move that I think is the greatest he'll ever make was going to Lue as the head coach. Talk about the balls behind that one.

Regardless, NOBODY is saying Griff hasn't done a great job at the task assigned with the resources given. All we're saying is that it doesn't make him the best gm in the league, and we've seen others do more well-rounded jobs in the position, and some of them have started with less to work with.