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So long, David Griffin

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Rob said:
Both. And really, Griff deserves more credit for this than LeBron because LeBron wanted to waste these roster spots on Mario Chalmers and Lance Stephenson a couple months ago.

Griff deserves credit for correctly showing patience and waiting it out to try to get the best possible player(s) on this team. LeBron did not want to wait. Many GMs would not have waited.
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But...let's say they blow a spot on Mario Chalmers, and then Deron Williams becomes available.

You just...waive Mario Chalmers and sign Deron Williams, because Deron Williams wants to be here. Like they just did with Jordan McCrae. And the only reason Deron Williams wants to come here is because LeBron James is here.
 
Rich said:
But...let's say they blow a spot on Mario Chalmers, and then Deron Williams becomes available.

You just...waive Mario Chalmers and sign Deron Williams, because Deron Williams wants to be here. Like they just did with Jordan McCrae. And the only reason Deron Williams wants to come here is because LeBron James is here.
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I agree that at the end of the day, this would have been the result.

However, remember that Griff was operating under financial strain at the time of LeBron's outburst. Contracts he offered were meant to be permanent.

Ultimately, he got the go ahead from ownership to increase cost to upgrade the roster, but at that time, that hadn't happened yet. I do give him some credit for not signing corpses, but I also don't think that makes him a top tier gm because he didn't make a rookie mistake lol.
 
Rich said:
But...let's say they blow a spot on Mario Chalmers, and then Deron Williams becomes available.

You just...waive Mario Chalmers and sign Deron Williams, because Deron Williams wants to be here. Like they just did with Jordan McCrae. And the only reason Deron Williams wants to come here is because LeBron James is here.
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Theoretically, yes. However, you would then just be burning cash. And while you and I don't care, Dan wouldn't want to burn cash for no reason. Just adding and dropping people like that is unrealistic in our situation.

If we signed Chalmers for the rest of the year, I'm pretty sure that he would have stayed for the rest of the year.
 
Rob said:
Both. And really, Griff deserves more credit for this than LeBron because LeBron wanted to waste these roster spots on Mario Chalmers and Lance Stephenson a couple months ago.
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I've seen you say this in multiple threads, but I don't think this is exactly true.

I don't think LeBron was pushing for specifically Chalmers or Lance at all...the only comment he made about it is that he would be open to playing with any of the guys that worked out for us.
 
Rich said:
But...let's say they blow a spot on Mario Chalmers, and then Deron Williams becomes available.

You just...waive Mario Chalmers and sign Deron Williams, because Deron Williams wants to be here. Like they just did with Jordan McCrae. And the only reason Deron Williams wants to come here is because LeBron James is here.
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Or you do what we did with Derrick Williams and sign him to a 10 ten day contract first. That way you don't even cut him later. Just let him his 10 expire.
 
Rob said:
Both. And really, Griff deserves more credit for this than LeBron because LeBron wanted to waste these roster spots on Mario Chalmers and Lance Stephenson a couple months ago.
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Don't pin the dumbest posts on this board on Lebron. I don't think he posts here under a pseud or anything.
 
FrontPageNews said:
Griff is on the Lowe post podcast today.
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link:

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18836446

not much new, but some things Griffin said:

--we were looking for a point and big all year obviously. We heard about Mo not playing really late.

--we knew Bogut might be available but Deron Williams was a surprise. We made a strategic decision waiting on buyout market.

--yes, we are a great three point shooting team but our defense and rebounding is poor. Our offense won't matter unless we fix that up.

--Lebron is nothing like the external picture of him. He just wants to win.

--I was convinced we would win going in to Game 7. Love was filled with determination to dominate on the boards. We don't lose when everyone is healthy and playing hard.

--discussing McMenamin's book, Griffin had a discussion with Lebron post the Portland loss last year right before Blatt got fired about the "optics of [Lebron] not getting back on defense".

--"Lebron wants to win at such a high level, he can't function well when people aren't doing the right things...As soon as you tell him what he needs to hear he embraced it", that's what happened after the discussion

--"I don't care about the perception of posters on realcavsfans.com, just members of our family" (ooops -- he said he didn't care about the perceptions of "people outside the locker room")

--accusations of anti-semitism after he fired Blatt disturbed him personally

--Kevin didn't want to come to Cavs before Lebron decided to come back, KLove specifically rejected a trade to Cavs just before Lebron's announcement

--Griffin did not believe Lebron would come back in 2014-15, believed it would take another year.

--Rich Paul required Cavs to open up the cap space before Lebron would agree to come back. That made things risky since they offloaded talent before they were absolutely certain LBJ would come back. But he understands why they did that

--Griffin believes LBJ doesn't care about the regular season MVP at all, because "everyone knows he is the best anyway"
 
In that podcast, it was interesting that Griff mentioned our defense more than once. He is very aware of how poor it is and wants us to pick it up on that end. And at the end how he mentioned that his Suns teams revolutionized offense but defense was one of the main reasons they couldn't make it to the Finals.

I also found it interesting that he mentioned the mistakes he made (what he often gets criticized for on this forum). He said that they wouldn't have been in the position to need to clear cap space for LeBron if they wouldn't have signed a couple of bad contracts, specifically Jarrett Jack. And said it caused him to incentivize the deal so someone would take his contract.

And they didn't even have a guarantee LBJ would be coming back when he did that at the time. Rich Paul wouldn't give him a commitment to sign, he just said clear cap space before they talk. So Griff had balls to put all his eggs in that basket without a guarantee.

And they talked about how we tried to get Kevin Love, but he didn't want to play here before we got LBJ. Then that obviously changed. And I think Wolves wanted more than the 9th pick but we won the lottery.


Really great podcast. It was cool to see Griff speak openly about situations that are normally just behind the scenes. It just makes me think how he has made some ballsy moves and they all have seemed to pay off. From turning down other GM jobs (he even declined Cavs first time without a long term certainty), to the moves he made to get LBJ without that certainty, to firing Blatt when we were atop of the East, etc.
 
Walter White said:
I also found it interesting that he mentioned the mistakes he made (what he often gets criticized for on this forum). He said that they wouldn't have been in the position to need to clear cap space for LeBron if they wouldn't have signed a couple of bad contracts, specifically Jarrett Jack. And said it caused him to incentivize the deal so someone would take his contract.
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I don't think the Jack trade is something any of us has criticized him for. At very least, he shouldn't be criticized for it, for the reasons he mentioned. It was a deal that we needed to do to get cap space, and it was a contract he didn't sign as GM.
 
That podcast is incredible. A must listen for Cavs fans.

The podcasts with the Cavaliers this season have just been phenomenal...adds a whole other dimension to the regular season.
 
Walter White said:
In that podcast, it was interesting that Griff mentioned our defense more than once. He is very aware of how poor it is and wants us to pick it up on that end. And at the end how he mentioned that his Suns teams revolutionized offense but defense was one of the main reasons they couldn't make it to the Finals.

I also found it interesting that he mentioned the mistakes he made (what he often gets criticized for on this forum). He said that they wouldn't have been in the position to need to clear cap space for LeBron if they wouldn't have signed a couple of bad contracts, specifically Jarrett Jack. And said it caused him to incentivize the deal so someone would take his contract.

And they didn't even have a guarantee LBJ would be coming back when he did that at the time. Rich Paul wouldn't give him a commitment to sign, he just said clear cap space before they talk. So Griff had balls to put all his eggs in that basket without a guarantee.

And they talked about how we tried to get Kevin Love, but he didn't want to play here before we got LBJ. Then that obviously changed. And I think Wolves wanted more than the 9th pick but we won the lottery.


Really great podcast. It was cool to see Griff speak openly about situations that are normally just behind the scenes. It just makes me think how he has made some ballsy moves and they all have seemed to pay off. From turning down other GM jobs (he even declined Cavs first time without a long term certainty), to the moves he made to get LBJ without that certainty, to firing Blatt when we were atop of the East, etc.
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What are some of the mistakes he admitted to making? Because Jack being signed to a bad contract isn't his.
 
What is Griff going to do about the Bogut injury? Is he going to sign a big man? Sanders? Someone else?

I think this probably deserves a thread of its own?
 
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