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Is Kevin Love a Hero for Saving a Dog?

  • Yes

    Votes: 28 48.3%
  • Too Right!

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Hotter than Jimmy G

    Votes: 15 25.9%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 13 22.4%

  • Total voters
    58
People hate him because he can't jump high enough to touch the top of the backboard.

I dont hate Kevin Love at all. I want him to be the player I dont think he'll ever be. Everyone can quote plus minus or whatever but watch the games. I dont mean casually. Im talking about all the little things. He's not the only one guilty but he does it too much for my liking. Ive watched every minute of every game for several seasons and it kills me for him to not understand help defense(or not give the effort), give up on plays early, not hustle to the other end of the court during a turnover or fast break, and missing easy shot under the basket while anticipating fouls.

Its not that I dont like his inability to jump. Its that he has such an amazing skill set for a big man that could be taken to another level if he had the mental drive that I keep waiting for him to show. If Im realistic I know he's not that guy but I want something to click see a glimpse of what could be. Place delly's heart in Kevin and doesn't need to jump, but he becomes very scary on the court.
 
I dont hate Kevin Love at all. I want him to be the player I dont think he'll ever be. Everyone can quote plus minus or whatever but watch the games. I dont mean casually. Im talking about all the little things. He's not the only one guilty but he does it too much for my liking. Ive watched every minute of every game for several seasons and it kills me for him to not understand help defense(or not give the effort), give up on plays early, not hustle to the other end of the court during a turnover or fast break, and missing easy shot under the basket while anticipating fouls.

Its not that I dont like his inability to jump. Its that he has such an amazing skill set for a big man that could be taken to another level if he had the mental drive that I keep waiting for him to show. If Im realistic I know he's not that guy but I want something to click see a glimpse of what could be. Place delly's heart in Kevin and doesn't need to jump, but he becomes very scary on the court.
You're fucking clueless. You apparently don't understand much about basketball. GTFOH.
 
You guys realize that love is scoring on very high volume on career high efficiency right? while rebound the piss out of the ball.

Some of these comments make me think people are discussing Ryan Anderson.

Love doesn’t have the prettiest game in the world, but it’s incredibly productive and effective.
 
It's more than that though. The guy oversell his injuries or he's affected by any pain. I'm expecting Love to roll on the floor after a papercut.

I don't know how that pesky little arm injury he suffered in the postseason kept him out of action his 1st year here, what a wuss..
 
Implying that Love isn't tough is nonsense, straight up. The guy played through injuries most of the time in his first two seasons here, he regularly bangs for rebounds against guys much bigger and much more athletic than him and takes an absolute beating down low. Look at how many fouls he draws in post up situations, for christ sakes. That dude lives, eats and breathes contact when he's not not shooting from outside.

Kevin Love "soft"? SMH
 
You're fucking clueless. You apparently don't understand much about basketball. GTFOH.

No need to get all out of sorts over a discussion board its just a bunch of people with opinions none of which matter. Id venture to say very few people on here make a living with their basketball knowledge so none of us are experts.

Ok, now back to the discussion. Which point do you disagree with the most? That he has a very good skill set and the capability of doing more, or that he doesn't always give good effort with loose balls, defensive situations, and not giving up on plays too early?

Also one more question. Why do people consider Love a below average defender, but never complain about Delly's ? Speed difference? jumping ability? Strength disparity?
 
No need to get all out of sorts over a discussion board its just a bunch of people with opinions none of which matter. Id venture to say very few people on here make a living with their basketball knowledge so none of us are experts.

Ok, now back to the discussion. Which point do you disagree with the most? That he has a very good skill set and the capability of doing more, or that he doesn't always give good effort with loose balls, defensive situations, and not giving up on plays too early?

Also one more question. Why do people consider Love a below average defender, but never complain about Delly's ? Speed difference? jumping ability? Strength disparity?

Loves a good defender, but he has a couple strikes against him. He doesn't always block out properly, he strangely doesn't raise his arms to contest, he usually just puts his body in the way. I'm not sure why he does this, but it must get him more rebounds somehow. I think it allows him to hold guys down without being noticed?

His feet are pretty good and he can guard on the perimeter very well. When no one is playing defense he looks bad and gets burnt often especially at the rim. As part of a disciplined group he is really very good. You can make a big man look really bad with bad perimeter d. TT suffers from this when he is helping and the 2nd or 3rd help doesn't come and his man scores easily.
 
Loves a good defender, but he has a couple strikes against him. He doesn't always block out properly, he strangely doesn't raise his arms to contest, he usually just puts his body in the way. I'm not sure why he does this, but it must get him more rebounds somehow. I think it allows him to hold guys down without being noticed?

His feet are pretty good and he can guard on the perimeter very well. When no one is playing defense he looks bad and gets burnt often especially at the rim. As part of a disciplined group he is really very good. You can make a big man look really bad with bad perimeter d. TT suffers from this when he is helping and the 2nd or 3rd help doesn't come and his man scores easily.
You must take a lot of bathroom breaks and miss all the times Love bodies up and plays solid as hell one on one defense against other bigs trying to post him up. He doesn't win every time but he wins at least as often as most other bigs who are supposedly better defenders. Love does contest and bother shots in the paint from guys who got past the perimeter too. But when he does nobody notices, nobody gives him credit, the people say he never does it.

Very selective viewing, willfully ignoring positive play, and a lot of confirmation bias when it comes to Love.
 
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I appreciate what Love brings to the table and I've never been a one sided Love-basher. But I also understand why he drives people crazy sometimes. His physical limitations are just so flagrantly evident at times, most notably in interior scoring and interior defense. (Re interior scoring -- remember him shooting 36% from 0-3 feet during the 2015-16 playoffs? He actually shot better from three than he did from layup range that year -- crazy making to watch his layups get snuffed over and over). He can be a very "stoppable" player and inconsistent game to game -- he can feast when good teams are not as focused on him, but when good teams game plan to stop him he can just disappear. Golden State has held him under 10 points in more than half of the Finals games he played against them (six out of eleven). If he shows up at all in Game 3 last year we win. When he does show up it's great, but it feels like you can't count on him to be a star when the team is down. His almost total lack of any rim protection abilities is a very visible annoyance even though he has good mobility and effort on defense. It can also be crazy making to watch him try to make decisions and get hung up when he is posted up in the interior or gets double teamed -- for whatever reason, we aren't taking advantage of his passing abilities well here, he has been in the negative on assist / turnover ratio (more TO than assists) last year and this year. So all his flaws are very in your face and kind of infuriating to watch.

But at the same time he does bring a ton to the table. Remember how we were all of a sudden a lousy rebounding team when he was out for an extended period last year? His three point shot is so consistent and he shoots it well in the clutch, he draws fouls well, he's a very good opportunistic scorer, his lower body is so strong that he can body up larger bigs on defense, and his defensive mobility has improved a lot. He's a very efficient player and a very good third option.

I agree with those who say that he is tough and hardworking and doesn't have any character issues. His issues are really all physical -- he has short arms, can't jump, and isn't particularly quick, when today's NBA is all about length, athleticism, and versatility. I feel like he would have been a bigger "star", maybe even hall of fame caliber, playing in a somewhat different era -- the NBA is so crazy athletic now that his issues are super obvious, and his three point shooting ability is less unusual than it once would have been.
 
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Loves issues defensively are more physical than effort. He’s too small and gets shot over too often by taller/longer offensive players and he’s not quick enough to keep up with most permitter players.
 
You must take a lot of bathroom breaks and miss all the times Love bodies up and plays solid as hell one on one defense against other bigs trying to post him up. He doesn't win every time but he wins at least as often as most other bigs who are supposedly better defenders. Love does contest and bother shots in the paint from guys who got past the perimeter too. But when he does nobody notices, nobody gives him credit, the people say he never does it.

Very selective viewing, willfully ignoring positive play, and a lot of confirmation bias when it comes to Love.

Ok again I want him to succeed and there is only a few realistic trades that would get me to include Love. Im guessing most of the board probably would agree, but he has some limitations.

On an earlier post you cursed and called me clueless, but it seems you are saying that Love is a very solid interior defender and as at least as good as other bigs. I guess i was in the bathroom when this occurs.
 
Why does Lue only play Love 29 mins a game? Surely can push him up to 33-34. Even when his jumper is white hot he still gets benched.

His per 36 numbers are crazy.
 

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