Kareem Hunt: One Pissed Off Runner!

Ohio said:

The outrage is regarding the one incident with a woman. Nobody actually cares about him getting in a bar fight with another man.

If the NFL banished every player that got in a bar fight, there would be no NFL.

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No. 1 - Your bar fight remark is absolutely ludicrous. Factoring in practice squad guys, there's about 2000 players in the NFL every year. There were 34 NFL arrests in 2018 and of those 34 only 11 of them were violent incidents. This idea that football players are these big, dumb ogres who can't control themselves is just not realistic. 95%+ of NFL players are perfectly well adjusted, reputable members of society who DON'T routinely fuck up. This idea that guys are out there constantly getting in fights is just flat not true. We are living in an age of social media where every single incident no matter how big or how small gets out and it's still a tiny fraction of the players in the league involved.

No. 2 - It's the pattern that is most concerning. Three times in six months this guy has gotten angry and put his hands/feet on someone in an inappropriately violent way. The fact that only one of them involved a women is pretty irrelevant.

There’s still a good chance he never plays a game for us. I won’t get too excited until I see how long he’s suspended.

Here are the opinions when he was cut: http://realcavsfans.com/community/index.php?threads/2018-nfl-season-thread.49166/page-38

Well, I can say I wish we never let him go but I understand we had to. He was my fav player before Mahomes came on the scene. I think he is the best running back in the league but I'm a little biased.

CBBI said:

No. 1 - Your bar fight remark is absolutely ludicrous. Factoring in practice squad guys, there's about 2000 players in the NFL every year. There were 34 NFL arrests in 2018 and of those 34 only 11 of them were violent incidents. This idea that football players are these big, dumb ogres who can't control themselves is just not realistic. 95%+ of NFL players are perfectly well adjusted, reputable members of society who DON'T routinely fuck up. This idea that guys are out there constantly getting in fights is just flat not true. We are living in an age of social media where every single incident no matter how big or how small gets out and it's still a tiny fraction of the players in the league involved.

No. 2 - It's the pattern that is most concerning. Three times in six months this guy has gotten angry and put his hands/feet on someone in an inappropriately violent way. The fact that only one of them involved a women is pretty irrelevant.

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100% agree with that. At first I didn't think it was that bad, I only knew of the one time, but 3 times violence, alcohol and cops have been involved in 6 months, this is an issue.

And I don't think on its own the situation with the female is that bad, but in conjecture with the two other incidents and a disturbing pattern is there.

So we signed him for the year, what happens if he is suspended an entire season? Does his contract stop like Gordan's did and he won't reach RFA to the following year?

What if someone else signs him as a RFA? Any chance we get a comp pick?

I'm giggling at the insinuation that Put In Bay was a big issue. Get it together.

"No arrest stat, they were home sleeping!"

Lee said:

100% agree with that. At first I didn't think it was that bad, I only knew of the one time, but 3 times violence, alcohol and cops have been involved in 6 months, this is an issue.

And I don't think on its own the situation with the female is that bad, but in conjecture with the two other incidents and a disturbing pattern is there.

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Same. I thought it was an isolated incident. I don't know how he is behind the scenes, but that incident by itself seemed blown out of proportion. But if you take into account more acts of violence, it makes him not so innocent after all.

I hope he does better and is able to succeed on and off the field. But it's crazy to me that players making millions of dollars are willing to throw it all away for such stupid stuff.

Soda said:

I'm giggling at the insinuation that Put In Bay was a big issue. Get it together.

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If you go to Put-in-Bay and don't get into some sort of altercation, did you really go to Put-in-Bay?

Binkster said:

If you go to Put-in-Bay and don't get into some sort of altercation, did you really go to Put-in-Bay?

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"Some of you have never been to Put In Bay over the summer, AND IT SHOWS!"

I've never fought, but I have been around numerous, NUMEROUS fights on that island. They literally cancelled Christmas in July because it was to crazy. Shit, didn't Joe Smith get into it with someone there some years ago?

CBBI said:

No. 1 - Your bar fight remark is absolutely ludicrous. Factoring in practice squad guys, there's about 2000 players in the NFL every year. There were 34 NFL arrests in 2018 and of those 34 only 11 of them were violent incidents. This idea that football players are these big, dumb ogres who can't control themselves is just not realistic. 95%+ of NFL players are perfectly well adjusted, reputable members of society who DON'T routinely fuck up. This idea that guys are out there constantly getting in fights is just flat not true. We are living in an age of social media where every single incident no matter how big or how small gets out and it's still a tiny fraction of the players in the league involved.

No. 2 - It's the pattern that is most concerning. Three times in six months this guy has gotten angry and put his hands/feet on someone in an inappropriately violent way. The fact that only one of them involved a women is pretty irrelevant.

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No 1 - Arrest stats? NFL players aren't held to the same standard as society. If they were, those numbers would look drastically different.

No 2 - Fair. But should his life be over now? Should he just end it? Asking honestly. Like I know at some point a line has to be drawn but this social media outrage culture is way too quick to just end a person's life over one incident.

Some things are just unforgivable, I get it. But I have a hard time saying that about Kareem Hunt when there are multiple players active in the NFL right now (not to mention the last 10-20 years) that have done significantly worse things.

I'm just not going to kill Kareem Hunt while there are a number of worse individuals prospering in the league, some of which are prospering both on and off the field now, in large part because they weren't kicked to the curb for their mistake(s) and were given the opportunity.

Ohio said:

No 1 - Arrest stats? NFL players aren't held to the same standard as society. If they were, those numbers would look drastically different.

No 2 - Fair. But should his life be over now? Should he just end it? Asking honestly. Like I know at some point a line has to be drawn but this social media outrage culture is way too quick to just end a person's life over one incident.

Some things are just unforgivable, I get it. But I have a hard time saying that about Kareem Hunt when there are multiple players active in the NFL right now (not to mention the last 10-20 years) that have done significantly worse things.

I'm just not going to kill Kareem Hunt while there are a number of worse individuals prospering in the league, some of which are prospering both on and off the field now, in large part because they weren't kicked to the curb for their mistake(s) and were given the opportunity.

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Being banned from football would kill him? No one said he deserved the death sentence lol

CBBI said:

Considering he allegedly punched a man in the face at Put In Bay several months after the hotel incident with the woman, I would say it's not likely he's actually learned a lesson.

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You don't learn lessons when you are not getting caught. It actually enables the behavior. So I don't necessarily buy this line of thinking, as it pertains to him being remorseful or learning a lesson. Or am I wrong on the timeline of events?

He didn't experience the bar and P&B incidents after the video became public did he? To me, that is what matters. I don't doubt that someone with the kick incident on their resume didn't engage in some other questionable behavior.....but rehabilitation comes after consequences, not before. There has to be something that causes a bottoming out for someone to seek help and to additionally, want to actually accept responsibility, better themselves and move on.

Like I said.....the guy should be on the shortest leash possible. Give him his second chance and see what happens. I don't necessarily agree with the calculus here.....PR / risk reward but I do think that someone as young as he is (22/23) who royally fucks up, deserves to be given a second chance. If he wants to blow that second chance, it is a reflection on him and not necessarily on the organization that tries to give him a path forward.

His actions cannot be diminished in any way and he has to deal with that the rest of his life but I guess the question becomes how long is someone vilified for a terrible mistake? What if he is truly remorseful for his actions and taking the proper steps to get help...is he never forgiven? is he always labeled as a terrible human being? I'm not saying its right or wrong but very few of us have never made a desicion we wish we had done differently...especially at the age of 23...

Now let's sign Kaepernick as a replacement for Tyrod and really send the media into a frenzy.

I honestly think it would be a good move. Have him come in at the end of games to kneel out the clock, just to piss people off.

col63onel said:

Vick lost his freedom for 1.5 years. I don't like the idea of Hunt getting a job this year, so soon after he got caught.

If he's suspended for a year, is a model citizen and has no issues, then I'd be ok with someone signing him. But he should have to learn some sort of lesson before doing so.

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I mean, what Vick did was so much fucking worse than what Hunt did. What Hunt did likely wouldn't even warrant jail time if he were charged. Not defending what Hunt did, but it's nowhere near as bad as Vick's crimes, nor is it as bad as, say, Ray Rice, who knocked his fiance out and then dragged her unconscious body like a bag of luggage.