Kareem Hunt: One Pissed Off Runner!

[macbdog]

You're big into fantasy football, arent you? Did you draft any of the above in fantasy football and root for them to help you win fantasy games? Serious question.

I actually drafted all of them- then donated all my fantasy football winnings to the local battered women's shelter.

 

[bornjoke]

Kareem Hunt didn't need to be out til 3am.

He didn't need to confront this woman outside his room. He could've just closed the door and called security.

He didn't need to push her. He didn't need to continue to try to speak/confront her. He didn't need to rush towards her and another person causing them both to fall over. He didn't need to get in that last light kick (I'll say light here just for clarity. On the scale of kicks, it was a light one. But still...) He could've just closed the door and called security.

He didn't need to lie to the Chiefs but he did.

It's not hard to be a good person. It's not hard to NOT put yourself in a situation where shoving someone is what you end up doing.

Dorsey is in the wrong here.

 

[macbdog]

At least we know he has good hand placement when blocking out attempted rushers of the backfield. He defends his house! Also, can only assume this will improve after getting tutelage from HOFer Jim Brown.

 

[CBBI]

I'd imagine he has learned his lesson already, 3 months removed from his life being sent in to a tailspin.....if he has not, he never will. Which is an entirely different discussion.

Considering he allegedly punched a man in the face at Put In Bay several months after the hotel incident with the woman, I would say it's not likely he's actually learned a lesson.

 

[col63onel]

If the criminal justice system has run its' course, Hunt has taken actions that genuinely show remorse, he's committed to various other programs (community outreach, continued treatment for any ailment he may have, and he over and over accepts responsibility in all settings), it's time for him to be given a chance to move on.

Agree

I'd imagine he has learned his lesson already, 3 months removed from his life being sent in to a tailspin.....if he has not, he never will. Which is an entirely different discussion.

This is the crux of my hangup though....what is he going to learn by getting signed the very next offseason? I have a hard time thinking signing him right away is in anyway a fitting punishment.

 

[chrisrich91]

I don't think a lot of these situations are nearly as black and white as people make them out to be.

Whether it's sports or not, what I find gross is this mob mentality that society has adopted where mistakes are death sentences. And the severity of the mistake doesn't even seem to matter anymore. Offensive tweets to domestic violence...whatever mistake you make, there's a blood thirsty crowd calling for your crucifixion.

If the story is true and the woman refused to leave the premises when asked and started slinging N-words at a drunk man...does she deserve to get shoved to the ground and then knocked back over with his foot? Of course not. But to completely ignore that she instigated a terrible situation and to demand that this man's life is ruined forever seems gross to me. It seems completely void of empathy, and it seems evil.

I would echo this sentiment even if he just signed with the Steelers or Ravens. Hell, I said as much right after the video came out.

I think you can have this point of view without being shamed. And I think you can have this point of view without being accused of turning a blind eye just to support your favorite sports team.

That's all.

 

[Lee]

Kareem Hunt didn't need to be out til 3am.

He didn't need to confront this woman outside his room. He could've just closed the door and called security.

He didn't need to push her. He didn't need to continue to try to speak/confront her. He didn't need to rush towards her and another person causing them both to fall over. He didn't need to get in that last light kick (I'll say light here just for clarity. On the scale of kicks, it was a light one. But still...) He could've just closed the door and called security.

He didn't need to lie to the Chiefs but he did.

It's not hard to be a good person. It's not hard to NOT put yourself in a situation where shoving someone is what you end up doing.

Dorsey is in the wrong here.

I am not going to blame a man for being out till 3am, that is just naïve and hypocritical.

That said, he has been involved in 2 other bar fight type incidents. One he didn't start and the other he was the only aggressor.

We are debating because a female was involved but he really didn't hit her hard or at all, but he did kick her the once.

The issue is not that he is violent against women, there is no history of that, the issue is he gets violent in general when he drinks, there is a history of that. So yes he has an issue, probably similar to Gordon in it involves a substance, difference is he gets violent when he uses his substance and Gordon did it because he was clinically depressed.

I am going to say I agree and have an issue with this because of the history violence and substance abuse. The combo is not good and its not a position of need. I actually feel bad for Gordon, but Hunt needs to address how he has had 3 run ins that involved Police, Alcohol consumption and violence in less than a year. This should not be something the Browns want to deal with, female involved or not.

 

[CBBI]

I don't think a lot of these situations are nearly as black and white as people make them out to be.

Whether it's sports or not, what I find gross is this mob mentality that society has adopted where mistakes are death sentences. And the severity of the mistake doesn't even seem to matter anymore. Offensive tweets to domestic violence...whatever mistake you make, there's a blood thirsty crowd calling for your crucifixion.

If the story is true and the woman refused to leave the premises when asked and starting slinging N-words at a drunk man...does she deserve to get shoved to the ground and then knocked back over with his foot? Of course not. But completely ignore that she instigated a terrible situation and to demand that this man's life is ruined forever seems gross to me. It seems completely void of empathy, and it seems evil.

I would echo this sentiment even if he just signed with the Steelers or Ravens. Hell, I said as much right after the video came out.

I think you can have this point of view without being shamed. And I think you can have this point of view without being accused of turning a blind eye just to support your favorite sports team.

That's all.

If he didn't have two other violent incidents in a six month period on top of the absolutely unacceptable hotel incident, you'd have a better point.

The guy has problems with putting his hands on people when he's angry or drunk or both. The hotel incident, sadly, has not proven to be an isolated incident.

 

[1B4IGO]

As a pastor and a counselor I can understand the reluctance to sign Hunt but we're all about second chances and sometimes third and fourth. I have issues with his behavior but completely devaluing his contrition and ability to change is also wrong.

I would believe Dorsey has done his homework and I have no issue with this.

 

[Ohio]

I don't think a lot of these situations are nearly as black and white as people make them out to be.

Whether it's sports or not, what I find gross is this mob mentality that society has adopted where mistakes are death sentences. And the severity of the mistake doesn't even seem to matter anymore. Offensive tweets to domestic violence...whatever mistake you make, there's a blood thirsty crowd calling for your crucifixion.

If the story is true and the woman refused to leave the premises when asked and started slinging N-words at a drunk man...does she deserve to get shoved to the ground and then knocked back over with his foot? Of course not. But to completely ignore that she instigated a terrible situation and to demand that this man's life is ruined forever seems gross to me. It seems completely void of empathy, and it seems evil.

I would echo this sentiment even if he just signed with the Steelers or Ravens. Hell, I said as much right after the video came out.

I think you can have this point of view without being shamed. And I think you can have this point of view without being accused of turning a blind eye just to support your favorite sports team.

That's all.

Nailed it.

If he didn't have two other violent incidents in a six month period on top of the absolutely unacceptable hotel incident, you'd have a better point.

The guy has problems with putting his hands on people when he's angry or drunk or both. The hotel incident, sadly, has not proven to be an isolated incident.

The outrage is regarding the one incident with a woman. Nobody actually cares about him getting in a bar fight with another man.

If the NFL banished every player that got in a bar fight, there would be no NFL.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

It sometimes amazes me how some guys who are obviously very unintelligent are able to digest and process an NFL playbook.

 

[chrisrich91]

If he didn't have two other violent incidents in a six month period on top of the absolutely unacceptable hotel incident, you'd have a better point.

The guy has problems with putting his hands on people when he's angry or drunk or both. The hotel incident, sadly, has not proven to be an isolated incident.

Agree he's totally got a problem with alcohol. Alcohol affects people in different ways; a lot of us probably know someone who gets aggressive and out of control when drinking. So "learning a lesson" here is not going to work unless he starts cutting binge drinking out of his life entirely. That's the lesson he must learn. The incident at PIB after this incident at The 9 happened before he fully felt the consequences of the incident at The 9.

It sounds like cutting out the binge drinking altogether is the route he is going, which is the only way to avoid these situations moving forward. If he chooses not to continue down this path, that's on him. At that point he's been met with his consequences, identified a path to better himself, and chose not to do so. Then he's dug his own grave.

 

[Cavsfan1985]

I only see upside here, if anything happens again you cut him, and he is going to be punished by the NFL. He is a local player who is close to Dorsey. I think this is a low risk high reward. I don't see how it is a negative for the Browns at all.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Considering he allegedly punched a man in the face at Put In Bay several months after the hotel incident with the woman, I would say it's not likely he's actually learned a lesson.

I think the crux of this divide is whether or not the individual franchises are responsible for handing out a punishment and determining whether or not that person is fit to be considered rehabilitated.

When Reuben Foster - who has screwed up over and over - was signed almost immediately by the Redskins the franchise was found at fault in the public eye. Part of that originated in Dan Snyder being universally hated. What should have been reported is that Foster was never eligible to practice with the Redskins until the NFL decides on the length and severity of his suspension. If he was never signed, like Hunt was signed, the NFL doesn't go through the legal proceedings. Both will be paid the league minimum during that legal process, and that angers some people. What is under-reported is how ineffective the alternative would be - another abusive and angry young man with no incentive to change.

The Browns don't decide Hunt's suspension or when he is fit to play again. They are not a civil trial who decides the retribution awarded to the people he attacked. They are the vehicle behind Hunt receiving treatment and rehabilitation.

 

[AZ_]

Dorsey's history with regards to players accused of domestic violence is, unquestionably, not good.

That said, I do believe in rehabilitation. I think a short leash should not only be in order, but mandatory in the form of a probationary period such players should be put into with pre-determined suspension lengths for violations.


Hunt is a low-risk signing, with a pretty big reward potential and good value as a player. I don't have an issue with it, but treat the rules with some respect and actually show people that you're building a culture, not just ignoring serious offenses because someone is good at football.

Time will tell where this organization heads.