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The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

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Cavatt said:
So Bran orchestrated this whole thing. He was able to push Dany to madness in order to get Jon to kill her which them got Jon out of the way and back on the Wall.

Could have said "Jon if you tell her she will kill everyone in Kings landing".

Instead he did everything in just such a way that he improbably sat on the throne.
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You could read it that way, but then that assumes that Jon marrying Danaerys would have prevented her from doing what she did in KL. Maybe it was necessary to separate Jon from Danaerys so he'd have the ability to actually do the deed when circumstances required.

Who knows? That may be a plot issue that came from D&D not thinking it through all the way, and (perhaps) eliminating Howland Reed's role in terms of telling Jon about his parentage.

If you're right, though, that makes Bran the best damn player the Game of Thrones has ever seen.
 
priceFTW said:
Has there ever been a bigger disconnect/discrepancy between what fans predicted/theorized/thought Bran would do and how he would affect the plot (“He’s the Night King,” “He’s the Lord of Light,” “He’s affected all the actions of everyone up to this point including the Mad King’s, etc.”)

...and what he wound up doing which is fuck all for 6 episodes—talked about wheelchair history, rolled his eyes back in episode 3 and did who the fuck knows, stared at Jamie and everyone else.

Something, ANYTHING at the end would have been something. Maybe he makes a facial expression, smirks, chuckles suggesting something, maybe there’s a flashback to what he was doing in episode 3 or other episodes, maybe he actually finds Drogon and we see the dragon taking Daenerys back someplace, maybe he wargs into some wildlings and they stab Jon, create a new Night King, maybe there’s a scene with him alone in a room, warging into the past to show what he has done.

How the hellcould he have wound up doing nothing? And how do these other people accept him as King? Do they even know what he csn do? How do they know? Could be demonstrated easily, but did he?
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There were so many mistakes during this final stretch... but the most unforgivable aspect by far is what they did to Bran. I blame George too, because this character was so rich in the books and the guy just stopped writing. No way they could write fro Bran. They wanted to adapt. But God almighty, they destroyed his arc. Where to begin?

Bran didn't want to be Lord of Winterfell, didn't really consider himself a stark, a human being even. He didn't want anything. But now he wants to be king?? It's all so bizarre. Was he he just breeding crows during the battle at Winterfell? Dude did nothing but sit there. He made time travel boring.

Finish these books please, George. Don't let them do Bran like this.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
Agreed. To your point about intelligence, Drogon didn't actually see Jon kill Danaerys, and the last he knew, they were very close with each other and Jon was an ally -- and a Targaeryen himself. For all Drogon actually saw, someone else could have killed Danaerys and Jon was a fellow mourner holding the body. So Drogon must have deduced what happened.
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He did deduce what happened. There was a knife in Dany, so he killed the chair of knives.

Bingo bango.
 
Terrible ending and a terrible S8. But the good news is that this isn't over....we just have to read the books for what will hopefully be a better ending. No Queensguards? Really? Bran the weirdo? Really?

It's really hard to end a series, and I get that. Yes this was better than Lost or Seinfeld, but fell short of Breaking Bad which remains the only show that got it right. Oh well. Certainly was a great show up until the last few episodes. Watching the Battle of Winterfell was amazing when it aired.
 
kookoo said:
I'm assuming it was more because of Targaryen blood than anything else...
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It could have been. Either way, there are explanations for why Drogon didn't roast Jon.
 
kosis said:
Bran didn't want to be Lord of Winterfell, didn't really consider himself a stark, a human being even. He didn't want anything. But now he wants to be king?? It's all so bizarre. Was he he just breeding crows during the battle at Winterfell? Dude did nothing but sit there. He made time travel boring.
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The warging with no explanation during the Battle of Winterfell was stupid writing.

But in terms of where he ends up...I think the issue is that he really doesn't have strong, human desires. But he does have a more general desire to play the role that destiny assigned to him. So he turns down Lord of Winterfell because he's not supposed to be the Lord of Winterfell, and he knows it. He accepts being King because that's what he's "supposed" to be.

I honestly didn't have a problem with it, though I'd agree it wasn't well explained.
 
How long did they know Bran was going to be King for? It seems like knowing that it would be a good idea to flesh him out a bit more? The guy disappeared for an entire season so they could focus on a plot line that ended up going nowhere.
 
Huber. said:
Do you promise all these memes I don't get will go away?
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How old was Max von Sydow? I thought he was 2000 years old. Is Bran going to be kind for a regular amount of time?
 
Fuck D&D for not making seasons seven and eight ten episodes.

I just watched the finale again, and I honestly did enjoy it a lot. Again, not sure why the Unsullied didn't just kill Jon/Tyrion, but Sansa did say that there was an entire Northern force that wouldn't take too kindly to Jon being killed, so I suppose I'll let it slide.

It's just. The whole Jon and Dany thing started and finished SO damn quick. It's irritating. That whole relationship should've gone over at least fifteen episodes. It was hard to get super upset about Jon being the one to kill Dany when they boned in the season finale last season and had a small handful of tender moments this season, mostly just in the first episode because then after that, she knew of his true patronage and it was all awkward between them.

So pretty much... they had sex in like the second to last scene of season seven, and by the end of the second episode of season eight, they pretty much were already over.

Books HAVE to do that storyline justice for me. I would've gotten more out of the scene if Tyrion stabbed her in the back or something, because at least those characters have had extensive screentime together over multiple seasons.
 
kosis said:
There were so many mistakes during this final stretch... but the most unforgivable aspect by far is what they did to Bran. I blame George too, because this character was so rich in the books and the guy just stopped writing. No way they could write fro Bran. They wanted to adapt. But God almighty, they destroyed his arc. Where to begin?

Bran didn't want to be Lord of Winterfell, didn't really consider himself a stark, a human being even. He didn't want anything. But now he wants to be king?? It's all so bizarre. Was he he just breeding crows during the battle at Winterfell? Dude did nothing but sit there. He made time travel boring.

Finish these books please, George. Don't let them do Bran like this.
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Did you read what Hempstead said after that episode? He said that, as far as he was aware, he was just flying around in crows that whole time during episode 3.

I mean......heavens


And what about Kinvara? That scene in s6 ended up serving zero purpose. Zilch.

They just totally got the story ass backwards somehow. The throne was the distraction, the otherwordly magical shit was the important stuff.
 
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