The Official Game of Thrones [A Song of Ice and Fire] Thread (includes spoilers)

[Rich]

I do think the fates of the Starks will be similar in the books. After all, the original (and far superior) title of the last book was A Time For Wolves. Well, I guess we now know what that means. Bran is king of the southern half of Westeros, Sansa queen of the northern half, and Jon is (seemingly) king beyond the Wall.

I think the fates of Cersei and Jaime will be radically different, though. Euron too, obviously. Given that they likely gave a big chunk of his role to the Night King, I can see Arya being the one to kill him.

I think theyve went off script with Sansa. Shes always Been a southerner. Worships the 7. Doesnt care a whole helluva lot for the common folk.

Find it more likely she becomes Lady of the Vale.

But then again I think essentially everything is gonna be different so yea.

 

[Rich]

Alright so end of the show lets see:

Who is R'Hllor? Dunno

Why was he giving people visions in the flames that, in fact, helped the Night King? Dunno.

Why did the Night King wanna kill everyone? Dunno

Where has he been for 8000 years? Dunno

How did Craster dtrike a deal with him and why cant anyone else? Dunno.

So did Bran alter the past outside of "Hold The Door?" Dunno

Why and how were Jon and Beric brought back to life? Dunno

What did Varys hear in the flames? Dunno.

What was in the books Sam stole from the Citadel? Dunno.

Coolcoolcoolcool.

Round of applause everyone.

But...we did manage to change primary villains 3 times in 3 episodes. So..that was something.

Alright then, I'm now a full blown asoiaf book snob who rejects the show as canon. If ever I see David Benioff in person in kicking him in the knee.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Alright so end of the show lets see:

Who is R'Hllor? Dunno

Why was he giving people visions in the flames that, in fact, helped the Night King? Dunno.

Why did the Night King wanna kill everyone? Dunno

Where has he been for 8000 years? Dunno

How did Craster dtrike a deal with him and why cant anyone else? Dunno.

So did Bran alter the past outside of His or? Dunno

Why and how was Jon and Beric brought back to life? Dunno

What did Varys hear in the flames? Dunno.

What was in the books Sam stole from the Citadel? Dunno.

Coolcoolcoolcool.

Round of applause everyone.

But...we did manage to change primary villains 3 times in 3 episodes. So..that was something.

Alright then, I'm now a full blown asoiaf book snob who rejects the show as canon. If ever I see David Benioff in person in kicking him in the knee.

Sadly, you're not wrong about any of that.

I could have lived with most of the omissions simply because I'd understand some stuff is going to be lost in going from book to show. But it's the sloppiness of the stuff they didn't cut that is really unforgivable to me.

 

[Amherstcavsfan]

Again, ultimately, I think the show was a rough outline of how the books will end up. It'll obviously be extremely more thought out if/when the books are written, but I don't think any end result for most characters are going to be much different.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think theyve went off script with Sansa. Shes always Been a southerner. Worships the 7. Doesnt care a whole helluva lot for the common folk.

Find it more likely she becomes Lady of the Vale.

But then again I think essentially everything is gonna be different so yea.

The whole Jeyne Poole/Fake Arya subplot was dropped in the show, and they substituted real Sansa for that. So, the show has her with a bigger connection in the North than she has in the books.

However, if you look at the fate of the other characters in the finale, and we assume those are generally correct, then it's apparent that GRRM likes to subvert tropes. So having southern-loving Sansa end up as the Lady of Winterfell/Queen in the North may be the kind of thing he'd do.

I really wonder about the books, though. Considering how hard they've been to write, I wouldn't be completely shocked if by the time GRRM is finished, they actually end up in a different place than he had told D&D.

 

[godfather]

I want to believe Bran is actually more sinister and manipulated this. It'd been much cooler if that's it and where RR is going.

Not sure I am going to give D&D that much credit.

But on the show, no signs of that. He mention he wants them to find Drogon. But they never follow up on it, or why.

They went no where with Bran in the end. No payoff at all. His character just totally fucking sucked on the show.

It's just laughable if he was supposedly the best choice to be King? He literally sat there and got lots of people killed. People died for Bran, and for no reason. He had no greater purpose at all. LOL

And to think he was the best choice?

Hello! Davos! @The Human Q-Tip

 

[godfather]

Fuck D&D for not making seasons seven and eight ten episodes.

I just watched the finale again, and I honestly did enjoy it a lot. Again, not sure why the Unsullied didn't just kill Jon/Tyrion, but Sansa did say that there was an entire Northern force that wouldn't take too kindly to Jon being killed, so I suppose I'll let it slide.

It's just. The whole Jon and Dany thing started and finished SO damn quick. It's irritating. That whole relationship should've gone over at least fifteen episodes. It was hard to get super upset about Jon being the one to kill Dany when they boned in the season finale last season and had a small handful of tender moments this season, mostly just in the first episode because then after that, she knew of his true patronage and it was all awkward between them.

So pretty much... they had sex in like the second to last scene of season seven, and by the end of the second episode of season eight, they pretty much were already over.

Books HAVE to do that storyline justice for me. I would've gotten more out of the scene if Tyrion stabbed her in the back or something, because at least those characters have had extensive screentime together over multiple seasons.

I really wanted Tyrion to do it too, but I didn't see how either. Unless Jon freed him and he went to kill her out of rage similar to his father and the Shae. But that's been done before.

She was clearly going to arrest him for freeing Jaime.

I don't have a problem it being Jon. Up until that point, the episode was going pretty good.

Once he killed Dany, it went to shit fast.

Drogon melting the throne was a great visual scene, but made no fucking sense.

Why is Drogon pissed at the throne? He's a dragon.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I want to believe Bran is actually more sinister and manipulated this. It'd been much cooler if that's it and where RR is going.

Not sure I am going to give D&D that much credit.

But on the show, no signs of that. He mention he wants them to find Drogon. But they never follow up on it, or why.

They went no where with Bran in the end. No payoff at all. His character just totally fucking sucked on the show.

It's just laughable if he was supposedly the best choice to be King? He literally sat there and got lots of people killed. People died for Bran, and for no reason. He had no greater purpose at all. LOL

And to think he was the best choice?

Hello! Davos! @The Human Q-Tip

Yeah, I was still hoping for Davos right until the end.

The problem with Bran is the whole issue of seeing the future. If he truly can do that, then it almost doesn't seem like it matters who is King, right? It's just "everyone will do what they must do", or similar mumbo-jumbo. Which kind of negates the whole premise of anyone being the "best" choice. If his future sight is more imperfect than that, than he could be a phenomenal choice. Imagine a King to whom you could never lie , who could see everyones' motives, ferret out corruption, and even know everything that all of his potential successors had ever done when it comes time to choose a successor.

But I think all that runs into the vagueness of how D&D handled Bran.

 

[godfather]

Alright so end of the show lets see:

Who is R'Hllor? Dunno

Why was he giving people visions in the flames that, in fact, helped the Night King? Dunno.

Why did the Night King wanna kill everyone? Dunno

Where has he been for 8000 years? Dunno

How did Craster dtrike a deal with him and why cant anyone else? Dunno.

So did Bran alter the past outside of "Hold The Door?" Dunno

Why and how were Jon and Beric brought back to life? Dunno

What did Varys hear in the flames? Dunno.

What was in the books Sam stole from the Citadel? Dunno.

Coolcoolcoolcool.

Round of applause everyone.

But...we did manage to change primary villains 3 times in 3 episodes. So..that was something.

Alright then, I'm now a full blown asoiaf book snob who rejects the show as canon. If ever I see David Benioff in person in kicking him in the knee.

Yeah, I thought that was the sole purpose of Sam miraculously living. Then it turns out his story just ended after The Long Night. LOL

Maybe they forgot. Wouldn't surprise me the way they threw this season together.

 

[godfather]

Literally every character got a happy ending but Dany. I didn't know this was a Disney movie.

 

[Stark]

Literally every character got a happy ending but Dany. I didn't know this was a Disney movie.

Tyrion and Jon both got pretty neutral endings in my mind.

Tyrion was sick of being Hand of the King/Queen and probably just wanted to be left alone since his entire family is dead and the one woman he put any faith into was a murderous tyrant.

Jon's ending is pretty bittersweet. Back up north where he probably belongs, but he had to kill somebody he was in love with, get banished to the Night's Watch in the eyes of the realm, and likely won't see any of his family again either except for maybe Sansa.

Arya, Sansa, Bran, the entire council sans Tyrion... happy endings out the ass, except for maybe Brienne.

 

[TyGuy]

The rumor is they will be tackling the age of heroes, so they will be dealing with the first long night and flesh out more how the white walkers came about.. How would you like to be handcuffed by the logic D&D created? They have to come up with a way for the night king and his army to be driven back and a wall built to contain them without killing him....

 

[godfather]

Has there ever been a bigger disconnect/discrepancy between what fans predicted/theorized/thought Bran would do and how he would affect the plot (“He’s the Night King,” “He’s the Lord of Light,” “He’s affected all the actions of everyone up to this point including the Mad King’s, etc.”)

...and what he wound up doing which is fuck all for 6 episodes—talked about wheelchair history, rolled his eyes back in episode 3 and did who the fuck knows, stared at Jamie and everyone else.

Something, ANYTHING at the end would have been something. Maybe he makes a facial expression, smirks, chuckles suggesting something, maybe there’s a flashback to what he was doing in episode 3 or other episodes, maybe he actually finds Drogon and we see the dragon taking Daenerys back someplace, maybe he wargs into some wildlings and they stab Jon, create a new Night King, maybe there’s a scene with him alone in a room, warging into the past to show what he has done.

How the hellcould he have wound up doing nothing? And how do these other people accept him as King? Do they even know what he csn do? How do they know? Could be demonstrated easily, but did he?

Man you nailed this.

So disappointed they went no where with Bran. Bran was just bland.

It was so out of nowhere Tyrion would proclaim he be King. Because his qualifications are so great? LOL

Hell, why not Arya? She literally saved humanity!

 

[godfather]

Tyrion and Jon both got pretty neutral endings in my mind.

Tyrion was sick of being Hand of the King/Queen and probably just wanted to be left alone since his entire family is dead and the one woman he put any faith into was a murderous tyrant.

I think he was feeling guilt. And thought he failed. So he didn't want it because of that.

He definitely loved it. Look how he's moving chairs at the end. Then he moves the Hand's chair. He's at peace. He's happy, he's where he wants to be.

Jon's ending is pretty bittersweet. Back up north where he probably belongs, but he had to kill somebody he was in love with, get banished to the Night's Watch in the eyes of the realm, and likely won't see any of his family again either except for maybe Sansa.

Jon's ending was only good for Jon. He didn't want to be King. He lives. He's back at the Wall where he probably truly wants to be with Ghost. Tyrion tells him he will visit again. So he won't be abandon.

The only sucky part is he probably never sees Sansa and Arya again.

Jon's ending sucked balls for us fans. Because he wasn't the prince that was promised. And really, didn't mean dick.

If him killing Dany was supposed to be him saving humanity, then these writers can eat a big dick. Because that's just comical.

Arya, Sansa, Bran, the entire council sans Tyrion... happy endings out the ass, except for maybe Brienne.

Yeah, Brienne got a sad one. SHOULD HAVE HOOKED UP WITH TORMUND! Fuck Brienne. Hers was sad, not going to lie.

 

[Cavatt]

I want to believe Bran is actually more sinister and manipulated this. It'd been much cooler if that's it and where RR is going.

Not sure I am going to give D&D that much credit.

But on the show, no signs of that. He mention he wants them to find Drogon. But they never follow up on it, or why.

They went no where with Bran in the end. No payoff at all. His character just totally fucking sucked on the show.

It's just laughable if he was supposedly the best choice to be King? He literally sat there and got lots of people killed. People died for Bran, and for no reason. He had no greater purpose at all. LOL

And to think he was the best choice?

Hello! Davos! @The Human Q-Tip

If anything Bran is hoarding info. Could have helped planning against the Night King much better. Could have totally prevented the tragedy at Kings Landing by telling Sam to keep his mouth Shut. Dany really neede jon's influence, and instead Bran led him to Killing her instead to make way for himself to gain the throne.

What's the point of the small council? Bran knows everything.

The next 3 eyed crow has to go seek this mysterious person on the Iron throne? Lol.

Really should have been a battle between Jon and Greyworm. It actually would have made sense if that happened during the kings landing battle. The fact that Jon was the rightful king never even came up during the King's Moot.