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James said:
Pip, Ive seen my teams win more Championships then most will ever see. At some point, you just look at it as if its no big deal. I love all the butt hurt Indians fans complain about money...you compensate players appropriately for the value of the team and the amount of money the team generates, so I dont see how the money is still the focus of peoples discontent.

This could be the last one for a while, Rivera and Posada are getting up there in age.
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If it was the Cavs, it would be the other way around..The Cavs are way over the cap, but, if the Cavs could go and sign Bosh, CP3 and another star player-- nobody here would have a problem with it... Nobody would really be thinking the Cavs bought their championship etc... In fact, everyone here would be on board..But don't call us hypocrites...

Again, the Yankees go virtually a decade with the highest payroll in the game, and they didn't win a thing..

I think they have one more in them, but health is a major issue.. Rivera and Pettitte will probaby be back for one more season, so if they're gonna get it, it's gonna have to be next season..

Matsui is gone... Posada will be the DH and I'm assuming Montero will be the new everyday catcher, which could umtilately alter the pitching staff IMO...
 
cmstophe said:
In regards to the bold, I have said and will keep saying this. I agree 100% and hold NO ILL WILL to the Yankees. I respect the hell out of the Yankees. I am one of the few Indians fans who do, I'm betting. They are a historic franchise with an incredible complex (both old and new), a ton of history with amazing players past present and no doubt in the future.

Still, the Yankees have missed the playoffs what, once? In 18 years. High payrolls DO guarantee you have a much better chance of competing. To say they don't guarantee anything is a blatant fallacy. All the top payroll teams are frequent competitors.

And yes the Indians need to scout and draft better. Much better. But say they do, and they find great players. What happens when said players are FA? They will become Angels, Red Sox, Yankees, or whatever. That's what happens. That isn't fair.
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Okay, but again, who's fault is that ? Take Mauer for example.. I would love to see the Yankees get him as the new every day catcher... Short right field, beautiful Yankee Stadium type of swing...

If the Twins want to keep him, then pay him...

If you know the rules before hand and you still want to own a team and compete with the big boys, then be sure you can... If you can't afford to pay your top players top dollar, then you don't deserve to own the team...

Do you honestly think CC desired to be a Yankee ? All we heard here for years was how he was a west coast guy.. And how he loved his guys in Milwaukee and loved to play in the NL...

You don't think if the Brewers offered the same amount that he wouldn't have stayed there... In a situation that he apparently liked, around a group of guys that he liked... I think he would have...

Then again, the Brewers can't afford it... Why ? I have no idea...Best pitcher on the market, who put that team on his back and you can't compete for his services ? Sorry, if you can't handle it, I'm sure there's other multi billionaires that can...
 
PIP said:
If it was the Cavs, it would be the other way around..The Cavs are way over the cap, but, if the Cavs could go and sign Bosh, CP3 and another star player-- nobody here would have a problem with it... Nobody would really be thinking the Cavs bought their championship etc... In fact, everyone here would be on board..But don't call us hypocrites...
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Extenuating circumstances - the spending is being done now for one reason. Try to win a championship to ultimately keep LBJ in Cleveland. We all know it won't last forever (like it does in NY for the Yanks). And the NBA has checks in place to make sure things stay competitive. A salary cap and a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax (a steep price to pay) for those that go over the cap. They also allow the home team the advantage of keeping their superstars. Where is any of this in baseball? Not to mention the blatant disregard of players circumventing the rules by using PED's and not getting so much as a slap on the wrist. The system is complete garbage.

PIP said:
Again, the Yankees go virtually a decade with the highest payroll in the game, and they didn't win a thing..
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That may be true, but they are in the playoffs every year (except last season when the Rays pulled out a miracle). They have the opportunity to win in the postseason every year, they just choked most of those opportunities away. Sign of greatness, or just a team with a huge advantage that eventually breaks through by spending more and more and more?

I love you as a poster Pip, you obviously make RCF a better place. But you will NEVER convince me that that there are any parallels between MLB's fucked up system and the current setup in the NBA. One gets it right and one just doesn't get it.
 
PIP said:
Okay, but again, who's fault is that ? Take Mauer for example.. I would love to see the Yankees get him as the new every day catcher... Short right field, beautiful Yankee Stadium type of swing...

If the Twins want to keep him, then pay him...

If you know the rules before hand and you still want to own a team and compete with the big boys, then be sure you can... If you can't afford to pay your top players top dollar, then you don't deserve to own the team...

Do you honestly think CC desired to be a Yankee ? All we heard here for years was how he was a west coast guy.. And how he loved his guys in Milwaukee and loved to play in the NL...

You don't think if the Brewers offered the same amount that he wouldn't have stayed there... In a situation that he apparently liked, around a group of guys that he liked... I think he would have...

Then again, the Brewers can't afford it... Why ? I have no idea...Best pitcher on the market, who put that team on his back and you can't compete for his services ? Sorry, if you can't handle it, I'm sure there's other multi billionaires that can...
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Well, I am no economist PIP, but I was under the assumption that market size has a big impact on this. If Dolan is simply a cheap fuck why have we not marched on his lair and dethroned him yet? If that is seriously all that keeps us from being big spenders.
 
Chief-

Not arguing whether or not the system is flawed... I recognize it is, but I think the hate goes in the wrong direction... The Yankees spend the money on their team... They take their ridiculous revenue and reinvest back into their product... I, for one, appreciate that... I like the fact that the Yankees can go and snag anyone..

Who wants to have boring off seasons without any hope of having a chance to win a title the next year ? I know I don't want that, I know you don't want that or any other fans...

However, my point was, if this was a Cleveland team doing it (and I used the Cavs because they're the only relevant franchise in the city)-- that nobody would be bitching..

I understand the salary cap in comparison to MLB's structure, but, you and I both know that if the Cavs had the ability to take this 25 year old LeBron and guarantee that for the next 10-12 years the Cavs would have the ability to get the best players on the market and keep this team near the top for the next decade or so, nobody would be bitching... And after a title or two, when other fans are bitching and moaning about "buying" a championship, that tyoe of talk would run off everyones back...

I completely get the point and I understand why many believe it's unfair, but it's only "unfair" if you were playing by different rules... The owner of the Indians is not... You want the top players on the Tribe.. Go outbid the other teams for them...

That 21 year old left handed Cuban defector Aroldis Champman is out there this year.. The Indians want him, go and get him... It's simple.. If the Indians can't afford him, that's not the Yankees or Red Sox or Mets fault...
 
Whatever. We know they won't. Dolan is a cheap fuck and isnt selling a franchise that is worth nothing.
 
Pip's Words "I completely get the point and I understand why many believe it's unfair, but it's only "unfair" if you were playing by different rules... The owner of the Indians is not... You want the top players on the Tribe.. Go outbid the other teams for them..."



You make it seem as if The Yankee ownership is spending his own private money on these players, he is not . They are using there own TV network, and all the ticket revenue to pay for those players. There is no way Cleveland has the population to sell as many tickets in a bad economy or support a tv network like New York can. The population and Money in NY makes cleveland seem so poor. If it was just owners pocket money spending and Dolan wasnt willing and Steinbrenner was, then yes its the Indians owner fault not outbidding for players . Its the money the team brings in from the population and money in the city that allows the Yankees to do what they do. That in its self is whats unfair, Mid markets just dont have the people living in the surrounding area to do what the Yankees do and therefore completely unfair.
 
Now i agree that the Yankees are doing what they are allowed to do, but that doesnt mean it makes it fun to watch if your a midmarket team fan. It sucks. we have no room for error, while the Yanks can just go buy replacements for their mistakes or big injuries, Mid markets have to rebuild instead. MLB rules suck, there needs to be a salary cap.
 
Me back in august. :rolleyes:
TAS said:
It's all a fucking scam. The league is set up, so that 8-10 teams are competitive each year & the rest are just fucking fillers. The only way small market teams can be competitive is for the league to implement a salary cap.

Teams such as the Yankees wait until a team develops a player & they throw a bunch of money at him once he becomes a free agent.
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I think it's ridiculous to blame the Yankees for spending but without a cap, there will generally be a monopoly. Just look at the the English Premier League.

Four teams always end up in the top 4.
08 = 1) MAN U , 2) Liverpool, 3) Chelsea
07 = 1) MAN U , 2) Chelsea, 3) Arsenal
06 = 1) MAN U , 2) Chelsea , 3) Livperpool
05 = 1) Chelsea, 2) MAN U, 3) Liverpool
04 = 1) Chelsea, 2) Arsenal, 3) MAN U
03 = 1) Arsenal, 2) Chelsea, 3) MAN U
 
Who cares about baseball anymore? It's not a legit sport. From cheating to the no salary cap restrictions make it not worthy to watch anymore, it's a terrible thing to because i loved baseball.

But congrats to the Yankees, u deserved it, no really u did.:rolleyes:

You're just lucky you won though because this team would of been the MOST embarrassing sports team that ever existed because of all this money they spent, and getting 2 of the top pitchers and the top hitter in FA already added to a team with A-Roid and Derek Peter.

Fuck the MLB. But go Tribe.:chuckles:
 
sjeppe said:
Pip's Words "I completely get the point and I understand why many believe it's unfair, but it's only "unfair" if you were playing by different rules... The owner of the Indians is not... You want the top players on the Tribe.. Go outbid the other teams for them..."



You make it seem as if The Yankee ownership is spending his own private money on these players, he is not . They are using there own TV network, and all the ticket revenue to pay for those players. There is no way Cleveland has the population to sell as many tickets in a bad economy or support a tv network like New York can. The population and Money in NY makes cleveland seem so poor. If it was just owners pocket money spending and Dolan wasnt willing and Steinbrenner was, then yes its the Indians owner fault not outbidding for players . Its the money the team brings in from the population and money in the city that allows the Yankees to do what they do. That in its self is whats unfair, Mid markets just dont have the people living in the surrounding area to do what the Yankees do and therefore completely unfair.
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I was listening to WTAM a while back and Mark Schaub was saying the same thing, they bank their money on the the TV Network and all the revenue. I heard NY has crazy ticket prices, you know how our nosebleeds are 7 bucks well there's are like 82 bucks a piece.
 
I can't believe you guys took the bait. I saw this last night and thought "no way will Pip's picture ridden 'look at me' thread exceed a page." Man was I wrong.
 
PIP said:
Okay, but again, who's fault is that ? Take Mauer for example.. I would love to see the Yankees get him as the new every day catcher... Short right field, beautiful Yankee Stadium type of swing...

If the Twins want to keep him, then pay him...

If you know the rules before hand and you still want to own a team and compete with the big boys, then be sure you can... If you can't afford to pay your top players top dollar, then you don't deserve to own the team...

Do you honestly think CC desired to be a Yankee ? All we heard here for years was how he was a west coast guy.. And how he loved his guys in Milwaukee and loved to play in the NL...

You don't think if the Brewers offered the same amount that he wouldn't have stayed there... In a situation that he apparently liked, around a group of guys that he liked... I think he would have...

Then again, the Brewers can't afford it... Why ? I have no idea...Best pitcher on the market, who put that team on his back and you can't compete for his services ? Sorry, if you can't handle it, I'm sure there's other multi billionaires that can...
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I know you don't honestly believe it is that simple. Switching teams here, but Dolan is already losing millions now, he is supposed to go out and pay a big name free agent 20 million a season just so he can lose even more money?

Yea, that makes a lot of sense. :rolleyes:

When the Red Sox call a team out saying the amount of money they spend is ridiculous, you know it is getting bad considering the Red Sox payroll still crushes most other teams.
 
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