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Reasons Amare could possibly join the Cavs:
- Chance to win a ring
- Good relationship with Griffin
- Joins old teammates (Marion, Shump, Smith)
- Who doesn't want to play with our 'Big 3'?
Reasons against:
- Money(?)
- Playing time. Would he be ok with playing ~15-20 minutes as our fourth big?
Imo, he would be a great fit for us.
He really plays solid basketball so far this season (can play both frontcourt positions). He doesn't have to do too much here in Cleveland. Just play defense, rebound the ball and hit your open shots.
- Chance to win a ring
- Good relationship with Griffin
- Joins old teammates (Marion, Shump, Smith)
- Who doesn't want to play with our 'Big 3'?
Reasons against:
- Money(?)
- Playing time. Would he be ok with playing ~15-20 minutes as our fourth big?
Imo, he would be a great fit for us.
He really plays solid basketball so far this season (can play both frontcourt positions). He doesn't have to do too much here in Cleveland. Just play defense, rebound the ball and hit your open shots.
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I wouldn't really consider money a huge issue, as his buyout from New York would certainly see him well-compensated. Dude made over twenty million this year.
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Great post.
But the thing is... playing Delly or Marion absolutely hurts the team offensively. Suddenly you have a guy out there that is just not a menace. It makes things much harder for the other 4 guys. It stalls the offense.
I mean, our 8th guy - Delly and Marion - they have a negative impact.
So signing a guy that at least can hit the 3 - and that's NOT Delly's case, despite his point FG - maybe this guy could have a neutral impact. And it would be better than what the Cavs have right now.
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Reasons Amare could possibly join the Cavs:
- Chance to win a ring
- Good relationship with Griffin
- Joins old teammates (Marion, Shump, Smith)
- Who doesn't want to play with our 'Big 3'?
Reasons against:
- Money(?)
- Playing time. Would he be ok with playing ~15-20 minutes as our fourth big?
Imo, he would be a great fit for us.
He really plays solid basketball so far this season (can play both frontcourt positions). He doesn't have to do too much here in Cleveland. Just play defense, rebound the ball and hit your open shots.
He is a bit intriguing, and for the reasons you state it may actually be plausible. But I think my personal preference would be to sign a low usage, defense-oriented player who is healthy and who wouldn't have any problem accepting a limited role. With Amare, I'm not really sure. Bringing him in may introduce more problems than it solves. I mean, he is Amare Stoudemire and even in a diminished state will demand his shots. I think it is a big risk bringing in a high usage player at this point in the season, especially when your team doesn't really need any more offense.
As far as what other teams would be interested in him and/or could offer him more money, one team sort of stands out, none other than his longtime former team, Phoenix. They are are still under the cap and are in playoff contention. Not at all sure they are in the market for a big though.
Cleveland is really the most obvious place for him to land. But again I think it is a pretty big risk.
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To me, that's the description of Dalembert. But it hasn't happened.
Amare Stoudemire - F/C - Knicks
The Mavericks would reportedly be interested in acquiring Amare Stoudemire if he decides to pursue a buyout with the Knicks.
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OK, this one is technically about trades, but looking at the guys belongs in this folder.
Top 5 Trade / Acquisition Options for the Cavaliers
We’re now into February, and with the trade deadline just a few weeks away, the front offices of NBA teams are more active than any other time in the year. While the Cavaliers have made their fair share of trades in early January, where they acquired J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert from the New York Knicks and Timofey Mozgov from the Denver Nuggets, many feel that the Cavaliers are a simple point guard away from a very good chance at a championship. With Cleveland being basically two-deep at every position, we count down the top trade/ acquisition options for the Cavs that would put them over the top. We start with number 5:
5. Jameer Nelson
Although unlikely, Cleveland could attempt to bring in Jameer Nelson from the Denver Nuggets. HE signed with the Mavericks as the starting point guard on a championship contending team, but was traded for Rajon Rondo, leaving him on a weak Celtics’ squad. That tenure didn’t last too long as he was quickly shipped to Denver in a trade that has allowed him some playing. Despite Nelson being 32 years old, he has always been able to run the offense as well as score the basketball at will. Bringing Nelson to Cleveland would be a welcome addition to the lineup.
4. Jordan Farmar
Jordan Farmar also signed with a contender in the Los Angeles Clippers, but was let go last month after reportedly not liking his role on the bench. Farmar was told in the offseason he would take on the Darren Collison-type role the Clippers had last year, but managed just 14.7 minutes per game. Now a free agent, Cleveland could explore bringing Farmar in if they deem him a good fit. He has NBA Finals experience with the Los Angeles Lakers from 2008-2010, where he was a key contributor to the two-time NBA Champions.
3. Ramon Sessions
Former Cavalier Ramon Sessions has bounced around the league as a backup point guard the past couple of seasons. He’s been with the Lakers, Bobcats, Cavaliers, and now the Kings, where he is being severely outplayed by starter Darren Collison. With the Kings playing second-year player Ray McCallum more, Session has been quietly waiting on the trade block. He would be an excellent backup to Kyrie Irving, who plays more than 37 minutes per game. Sessions is fully capable of orchestrating an offense and can get to the basket as well as the free-throw line at will.
2. Mo Williams
Williams knows his way around Cleveland, and would be returning as a former Cavs All-Star. He has also played with LeBron extensively, so any chemistry would likely be resolved quickly. At this phase of his career, Williams would likely embrace playing for a contender, even if it meant playing fewer minutes behind Kyrie Irving. In case you missed it, Williams is currently tied for the second highest scoring game this season with Klay Thompson at 52. That’s right, he went off for 52 points in a road game against the Indiana Pacers. Minnesota isn’t winning any more games because of him, other than his 52 point explosion earlier this year, so they may be enticed by some young assets and draft picks. Needless to say, Williams will be a great fit for the Cavaliers.
1. Norris Cole
The Cleveland State star turned two-time NBA champion alongside LeBron James in Miami could probably be the most likely player wearing the Wine & Gold while leading the Cavaliers’ second team offense if a trade happens. Miami reportedly has him on the trading block due to Chalmers and Napier consuming most of the minutes. Cole just does not have much of a role on the Heat this year. He is having the least productive season of his career, his first without LeBron James leading his team, and most of that is due to lack of playing time.
LeBron has publicly praised Cole’s game making this trade option slightly more likely than one for Mo Williams. Cole has Cleveland connections and a history with James. While Williams may be a better player, Cole, due to age and potential could be a better fit not just because of his chemistry with James, but because of the future as well. He could help the Cavs throughout the playoffs since he knows what its like to win a title, but also be a long term member of the roster. He is in the final year of his contract and could look to get a big deal in the offseason as a starter, so it would be a gamble to trade for Cole.
Top 5 Trade / Acquisition Options for the Cavaliers
We’re now into February, and with the trade deadline just a few weeks away, the front offices of NBA teams are more active than any other time in the year. While the Cavaliers have made their fair share of trades in early January, where they acquired J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert from the New York Knicks and Timofey Mozgov from the Denver Nuggets, many feel that the Cavaliers are a simple point guard away from a very good chance at a championship. With Cleveland being basically two-deep at every position, we count down the top trade/ acquisition options for the Cavs that would put them over the top. We start with number 5:
5. Jameer Nelson
Although unlikely, Cleveland could attempt to bring in Jameer Nelson from the Denver Nuggets. HE signed with the Mavericks as the starting point guard on a championship contending team, but was traded for Rajon Rondo, leaving him on a weak Celtics’ squad. That tenure didn’t last too long as he was quickly shipped to Denver in a trade that has allowed him some playing. Despite Nelson being 32 years old, he has always been able to run the offense as well as score the basketball at will. Bringing Nelson to Cleveland would be a welcome addition to the lineup.
4. Jordan Farmar
Jordan Farmar also signed with a contender in the Los Angeles Clippers, but was let go last month after reportedly not liking his role on the bench. Farmar was told in the offseason he would take on the Darren Collison-type role the Clippers had last year, but managed just 14.7 minutes per game. Now a free agent, Cleveland could explore bringing Farmar in if they deem him a good fit. He has NBA Finals experience with the Los Angeles Lakers from 2008-2010, where he was a key contributor to the two-time NBA Champions.
3. Ramon Sessions
Former Cavalier Ramon Sessions has bounced around the league as a backup point guard the past couple of seasons. He’s been with the Lakers, Bobcats, Cavaliers, and now the Kings, where he is being severely outplayed by starter Darren Collison. With the Kings playing second-year player Ray McCallum more, Session has been quietly waiting on the trade block. He would be an excellent backup to Kyrie Irving, who plays more than 37 minutes per game. Sessions is fully capable of orchestrating an offense and can get to the basket as well as the free-throw line at will.
2. Mo Williams
Williams knows his way around Cleveland, and would be returning as a former Cavs All-Star. He has also played with LeBron extensively, so any chemistry would likely be resolved quickly. At this phase of his career, Williams would likely embrace playing for a contender, even if it meant playing fewer minutes behind Kyrie Irving. In case you missed it, Williams is currently tied for the second highest scoring game this season with Klay Thompson at 52. That’s right, he went off for 52 points in a road game against the Indiana Pacers. Minnesota isn’t winning any more games because of him, other than his 52 point explosion earlier this year, so they may be enticed by some young assets and draft picks. Needless to say, Williams will be a great fit for the Cavaliers.
1. Norris Cole
The Cleveland State star turned two-time NBA champion alongside LeBron James in Miami could probably be the most likely player wearing the Wine & Gold while leading the Cavaliers’ second team offense if a trade happens. Miami reportedly has him on the trading block due to Chalmers and Napier consuming most of the minutes. Cole just does not have much of a role on the Heat this year. He is having the least productive season of his career, his first without LeBron James leading his team, and most of that is due to lack of playing time.
LeBron has publicly praised Cole’s game making this trade option slightly more likely than one for Mo Williams. Cole has Cleveland connections and a history with James. While Williams may be a better player, Cole, due to age and potential could be a better fit not just because of his chemistry with James, but because of the future as well. He could help the Cavs throughout the playoffs since he knows what its like to win a title, but also be a long term member of the roster. He is in the final year of his contract and could look to get a big deal in the offseason as a starter, so it would be a gamble to trade for Cole.
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reports that dallas are front runners for amare if he's released.
this probably makes J.O. very realistic for the cavs.
they can then use haywood's deal to trade for a pg, and depending on the pg - possibly even get some type of pick in the process for that unique asset of a contract.
this probably makes J.O. very realistic for the cavs.
they can then use haywood's deal to trade for a pg, and depending on the pg - possibly even get some type of pick in the process for that unique asset of a contract.
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Word was that JO was going to make a decision in January -- early January, as I recall. That obviously didn't happen, which makes me wonder whether he will actually play at all this year.
I think I read in one of The Bullshit Whisperer's chats that Farmar and N Rob are 100% not coming here. The Bullshit Whisperer said they had exploratory conversations but neither of them was willing to play for the vet minimum, so get those 2 out of your heads as potential options.
Jason Lloyd mentioned Jameer Nelson as the most likely trade target if they trade for a PG. He said they are looking for an offensive point guard.
As for the big, why in the hell would anybody want Stoudemire? He can't shoot, needs the ball to be effective, has never played a lick of defense, is undersized, and has a longer injury history than the rap sheet of a drug dealer. Plus, ESPN said Dallas is his most likely destination should he be bought out.
Jason Lloyd mentioned Jameer Nelson as the most likely trade target if they trade for a PG. He said they are looking for an offensive point guard.
As for the big, why in the hell would anybody want Stoudemire? He can't shoot, needs the ball to be effective, has never played a lick of defense, is undersized, and has a longer injury history than the rap sheet of a drug dealer. Plus, ESPN said Dallas is his most likely destination should he be bought out.
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Every potential PG people keep bringing up are playing worse than Delly this year and are nothing but names now...Jameer Nelson? 36.6% from the floor, 33.9% from 3, has been awful on defense this year, and has been battling injuries lately. Jordan Farmar? 38.6% from the floor, 36.1% from 3, and another guy who has been terrible vs opposing PGs defensively this year. Luckily he just signed overseas so we won't have to deal with that. Nate Robinson? 34.8% from the floor, 26.1% from 3, coming off of a major knee injury. Only PG mentioned I would take over Delly is Mo.
Grass is always greener...
Grass is always greener...
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As Bobcat alluded a couple of posts above, Lloyd has a very good article on the Cavs' interests in filling out the roster with a PG and a big. He details all the points we have already raised and adds a few tidbits from the Cavs' perspective.
http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/jas...ine-approaching-1.565044#.VNaDDAxlbro.twitter
PGs:
Williams
Nelson
Felton
Cole
Bynum
Brown
He does not mention Sessions. (Was this an oversight or are the Cavs not interested? I'm pretty confident he would be available since his contract for next year is guaranteed and he has been very disappointing. Sacramento's attention seems focused on their coaching situation though. RCF had some fairly heated debates a few years ago about just how good Sessions is/was during his tour in Cleveland.)
Bigs:
Miles Plumlee (via trade)
Garnett (via buyout/FA)
Stoudemire (via buyout/FA)
Conspicuous by their absence here are Dalembert and O'Neal. Maybe Lloyd is just tired of typing their names at this point.
http://www.ohio.com/sports/cavs/jas...ine-approaching-1.565044#.VNaDDAxlbro.twitter
PGs:
Williams
Nelson
Felton
Cole
Bynum
Brown
He does not mention Sessions. (Was this an oversight or are the Cavs not interested? I'm pretty confident he would be available since his contract for next year is guaranteed and he has been very disappointing. Sacramento's attention seems focused on their coaching situation though. RCF had some fairly heated debates a few years ago about just how good Sessions is/was during his tour in Cleveland.)
Bigs:
Miles Plumlee (via trade)
Garnett (via buyout/FA)
Stoudemire (via buyout/FA)
Conspicuous by their absence here are Dalembert and O'Neal. Maybe Lloyd is just tired of typing their names at this point.