2012 Draft

[Henry Tuttle]

Do people really think the Bobcats hired Rich Cho as a figurehead? MJ is not making this pick.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

Drafting a SG that high is almost like drafting a RB in the first round in the NFL. The position just doesn't carry the weight now a days it did a generation ago.

I would rather have MKG than Beal if possible. Small Forward has become the glamour spot in the NBA right now (as SG was a generation ago), and we need someone that can guard and hang athletically with the Lebron/Melo/Durrant's of the world. SF/PG are the 2 key positions for most teams anymore as far as dominating a game, and we have the PG. Think about it, other than Kobe who are the really "elite" players in the NBA that play that position? It just isn't as important as it once was.

If Beal measures in any shorter than 6'4 I want no part of him at #4 if he is there. He is not an explosive freak athlete, and anything under 6'4 is too short when you don't have excessive athleticism to make up for it. It is particularly a problem when we have a PG who is just average size. We would get killed on the defensive end.

SG and PF are the easiest positions in the NBA to find serviceable players. To think that we would use the #4 pick 2 years in a row on the 2 easisest to fill/least valued positions in the league doesn't bode well for the rebuild because we are still lacking at center and SF going forward. Finding elite players at those isn't always easy, and when you have one you have a major competitive advantage.

I would also add that if Drummond is there and we pass on him we will rue the day. Passing on a center 2 years in a row will come back to bite us as likely this will be the last year we are drafting in the top 5 for the forseeable future. Those positions are hard to fill high in the lottery, much less outside the top 10.

Too many on this board are short sighted about building a championship team. With someone like Drummond you spend a couple years developing them, and then reap the rewards like Orlando did once Howard established himself as a dominator in the paint.

If he is on the board you take him regardless of who else is left. We can find an undersized shooting guard anytime (MKG I could deal with though), but to find a big with Dwight Howard type athleticism who is still only 18 is the type of things that come back and haunt franchises when they are aonly a piece away and it happens to be a center.

We have been through that before trotting out washed up veterans (Z/Wallace/Shaq) when we were on the verge of a title. I am surprised to see that experience (and how hard a position it is to fill) didn't seem to change the minds of many around here who seem disinterested in a legit, young, high ceiling center we could groom (JV last year we also passed on).

Orlando was rewarded??

I don't think a team has ever won a title with a "project" center. Not unless you count the Lakers and Bynum, which I am not-because Bynum did not contribute as a franchise center in either title run. I don't count players like Duncan, Hakeem, etc as "projects". Guys like Javale, DeAndre, Kwame are in that "project" category. Which category does Drummond fall into?

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Paul Millsap at 4? Yeah, you probably should bitch about that, especially when we already have a similar PF on the roster already who has more potential than T-Rob as a rim protecting, athletic power forward. PF is one of the easiest positions to fill in the NBA.

This draft is very overrated when it comes to talent. The drop-off after Davis is HUGE. There isn't a huge difference picking from 2-6 imo. And I said a better version of Milsap. I think T-Rob will be a better scorer, rebounder, and defender. Not that Millsap is terrible at any of those things, but I think Robinson is going to be pretty damn good.

 

[Triumph36]

Do people really think the Bobcats hired Rich Cho as a figurehead? MJ is not making this pick.

But what you're ignoring is that MJ is as egotistical as they come and obviously has the last word as the owner. If he wants a guy bad enough, someone like Cho isn't going to get in his way.

and the Ford insider article doesn't really say anything groundbreaking

Two teams to look at are Cleveland and Portland. Both would love to get up to the No. 2 pick. The Cavs would love to get their hands on Kidd-Gilchrist or Beal. The Blazers are also high on Beal.

If the Cavs offered the No. 4 and No. 24 picks, would that be enough for the Bobcats to pull the trigger? If Robinson is their target, yes. If Kidd-Gilchrist is? He's probably not on the board at No. 4.

 

[daytripper]

I really hope the Cavaliers don't trade up to #2. We have alot of needs and with where we're sitting at least two from among MKG, Beal, Barnes, & Drummond will fall to our pick. I think Charlotte is likely to pick Robinson or Barnes (like MJ, a UNC guy) anyways. Thus, I don't see the need to trade up.

Stay at #4 and perhaps use 2-3 of our other picks to trade up into the teens.

Basically that's what Jason Lloyd said in his podcast with Joe Kotoch yesterday. It's worth a listen..they discussed alot of interesting info regarding the Cavs:

http://probasketballdraft.com/multimedia.html

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Hearing the name "Festus Ezeli" I was picturing some big, burly European Slavic warrior type. I did not know Festus was black. I could care less about his skin color, but I seriously would have never guessed that a guy named "Festus" would be black.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

But what you're ignoring is that MJ is as egotistical as they come and obviously has the last word as the owner. If he wants a guy bad enough, someone like Cho isn't going to get in his way.

OK, I know hypothetical conversations aren't exactly in vogue right now, but you give me no choice:

We have to go with Robinson. He's perfect.

Interesting thought, Richard. I'm not familiar with this Robinson you speak of, perhaps we should opt for one Harry Barnes? I like the cut of his jib.

LOL. I'm out.

 

[Photon]

Hearing the name "Festus Ezeli" I was picturing some big, burly European Slavic warrior type. I did not know Festus was black. I could care less about his skin color, but I seriously would have never guessed that a guy named "Festus" would be black.

I always think of gladiators when I see his name.

 

[WarAdmiral]

Way to early in the process, to tie myself to one guy at 4. There is only one given and that is the 1st pick. I am sitting here, hoping and praying, that somehow MKG falls to us. I see him going to the Bobcats at 2 though. The Wizards are a Wildcard. I could see them taking TRob. 18 and 10 guys are not a dime a dozen, and I see him being a Boozer type player.

Now looking at those three, one thing in common is work ethic. They all have good ones, and there is no character ?s. Now, we are up, and I this where the warts start showing. Beal is to small. Drummund shoots 29% from the line. Barnes may have reached his ceiling. I see the Cavs going with Beal or maybe someone we aren't talking about yet.

Terrence Jones is gonna be a steal. I in no way see him going at 4, but whoever ends up with him later, is going to get tremendous value, when it is all said and done. IMO. This guy couldn't pee with his right hand last year. This year he was driving with his right and hitting little right handed hooks by the end of year. He tends to drift mentally at times, but I see most that cured with maturity.

I really don't want to see us take Barnes. He isn't a money player from what I have seen. Since we got a money player in KI, maybe this weakness could be neutralized, but I want to see a lot more clutch type of player, taken with the 4th pick.

It makes for good reading leading up to it, and I am looking forward to seeing what our Cavs end up doing. I trust Grant so far, so I feel good about being in good hands, but as it usually is, time will tell.

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

Not sure if this has been posted somewhere or not, but I just heard on 92.3FAN that Chad ford said the cavs are showing interest in Jeremy Lamb. Just an fyi.

 

[EdgarJones]

No way I want to give up any picks to move up two spots. I'd gladly give up the 2 seconds rounders but no one will give you shit for them. Now, I'd be
all for giving our last three pics if it meant moving up. I'm not counting on that happening.

I'm liking the newest draft fron NBAdraft.net 4th: MKG
24th: Doron Lamb

 

[Primetime23]

This draft is very overrated when it comes to talent. The drop-off after Davis is HUGE. There isn't a huge difference picking from 2-6 imo. And I said a better version of Milsap. I think T-Rob will be a better scorer, rebounder, and defender. Not that Millsap is terrible at any of those things, but I think Robinson is going to be pretty damn good.

getting Paul Milsap with the #4 pick wouldn't be a bad thing. But, I don't think Robinson will be as good as Milsap. Milsap is a legit good NBA starter. Im just not seeing the hype with Robinson.

Not sure if this has been posted somewhere or not, but I just heard on 92.3FAN that Chad ford said the cavs are showing interest in Jeremy Lamb. Just an fyi.

they really should. Lamb has a chance to be the 2nd best player in the draft. He could also end up a lot worst. They have to get an up close view to sort it out though.

Also, I wonder what Thompson would fetch back in terms of a draft pick in this years draft. If it is top 8 then I would think about it(doubt it is the case though).

 

[sailfish]

getting Paul Milsap with the #4 pick wouldn't be a bad thing. But, I don't think Robinson will be as good as Milsap. Milsap is a legit good NBA starter. Im just not seeing the hype with Robinson.

they really should. Lamb has a chance to be the 2nd best player in the draft. He could also end up a lot worst. They have to get an up close view to sort it out though.

I like Lamb, who is 6'5", he has a ridiculous wingspan of 7'1", and he's athletic. Lamb has prototypical NBA 2-guard size & athleticism wheras Beal really does not. Lamb actually shot better than Beal from the field (47.8% vs 43.4%), 3 point range (33.6% vs 33%), and at the free throw line (81% vs 76.6%). I think the stock of both Lamb & Drummond has been hurt by UConn's disappointing season.

 

[Primetime23]

I like Lamb, who is 6'5", he has a ridiculous wingspan of 7'1", and he's athletic. Lamb has prototypical NBA 2-guard size & athleticism wheras Beal really does not. Lamb actually shot better than Beal from the field (47.8% vs 43.4%), 3 point range (33.6% vs 33%), and at the free throw line (81% vs 76.6%). I think the stock of both Lamb & Drummond has been hurt by UConn's disappointing season.

they should all hate Shabazz Napier...guy ruined the chemistry. extremely selfish

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Im not saying T-Rob would be an ideal fit, but if he is the BPA, than I wouldn't complain. Like I said, I would much rather get a wing player.