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RedBlackAttack said:
Basically, that would be my nightmare.

(Rivers + Barnes) = (Me + 480 Bridge)
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Those were just two examples. I prefer two highish lotto picks versus one higher lotto pick just because most of our choices past Beal and MKG have as much a chance of being a bust as the other guy. If we can get a Jones, Ross as well as another top 11 guy it maximises our potential to draft at least one franchise player. Pick of the litter between Drummond, Robinson and Barnes (a combo of what I think 4-6 is going to look like) it's really a crap shoot. I'm not ver high on Barnes either and would prefer MKG but if it's between those 3, I'd rather trade and take whoever is leftover at 6, then pick a Jones at 11. Possibly grab Melo at 24. That looks like a pretty solid team to build on.

Or, you know, try to get the Raptors pick in a 3 team trade (they're probably looking for a point guard and there isn't much standout talent this year). Maybe something like this (with fillers to match up contracts):

Andy to Houston
Dragic to Toronto
Raptors pick and fillers to Cleveland

Shit, I don't know. It's almost 2, I'm drunk and it's going to be a long freaking offseason (mainly because our team tends to do SHIT ALL when it comes to decent offseason and draft night moves). Off your thumbs.
 
We're getting one of...

Beal
Drummond
MKG


Relax people.
 
wuck if you're reading, or anybody else who might know..

how did you know that the coin flip or random drawing some weeks ago in the tiebreaker for the 3 spot between the Cavs and the Hornets was for the single extra combination (middle ball combination?) and not the whole set of numbers?

Is there anywhere to find this information online? Can I ask how you know? Is it a secret?

Thanks..

btw, if I mixed up what you answered me before on this, I apologize. I searched for the post I asked the first time but couldn't find..

ALSO, does anybody know if the numbers that came up in the ping pong ball chamber last night are published some place? Thanks again.
 
I would try to use varejao to trade back from 4 and/or trade up from 24 to get more mid-late lotto picks. The biggest goal, imo, is to surround irving with guys who complement his skills, while also having the ability to create their own shot. I don't think any of the widely-discussed options (barnes, robinson, beal, mkg) have any better offensive potential (or higher floors) than guys who project a few spots later, like lamb, pj3, ross, waiters, harkless, etc. With holes all over the roster, I think going for 2 of those guys is a much smarter move. moving down for portland's picks, or trading up for one of houston's would be ideal, imo.

If unable to move from 4, I would take drummond if hes available, or bite the bullet and take lamb. As many have already mentioned, I don't see what makes beal a better (or equal) prospect.
 
Alec Zander said:
We're getting one of...

Beal
Drummond
MKG


Relax people.
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don't mean to single you out because i'm guilty of posting a similar comment myself, but i'm going to laugh so hard - and then subsequently shoot someone, probably - if the cavs end up with someone like barnes. i don't think it's going to happen (but they LOVE him!!!), but it just seems so fitting now that everyone is like "oh okay, we're guaranteed one of beal, drummond, or gilchrist."
 
ajz20 said:
Taking T rob would require a ton of explaining, with Barnes, DRummond, or Beal still on the board.
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Why? Only for fans who think (a) every draft pick MUST become a starter, (b) that T.Rob is somehow similar to TT (which he isn't), and (c) that we will rebuild in only two drafts.

Also, they probably don't think they have to explain shit to anyone. Thus, them taking TT last year.
 
You only get a chance to draft in top 4 for a few years before you find yourself drafting 7-15 in the rebuilding process (unless you blow the picks) Drafting two players who can not share the court full time back to back (ne and do not address holes at the 2,3, 5 when there are prospects just as talented or more talented by all scouts accounts is very odd.. If this was a weak draft and Robinson was head and shoulders above all players left with the 4th pick that would be one thing. There is not a single scout that shares that opinion. So yes, it would be a very perplexing pick. If we had gone a different direction maybe he would be considered, but not now.
NoTitleTown said:
Why? Only for fans who think (a) every draft pick MUST become a starter, (b) that T.Rob is somehow similar to TT (which he isn't), and (c) that we will rebuild in only two drafts.

Also, they probably don't think they have to explain shit to anyone. Thus, them taking TT last year.
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ajz20 said:
You only get a chance to draft in top 4 for a few years before you find yourself drafting 7-15 in the rebuilding process (unless you blow the picks) Drafting two players who can not share the court full time back to back and do not address holes at the 2,3, 5 when there are prospects just as talented or more talented by all scouts accounts is very odd.. If this was a weak draft and Robinson was head and shoulders about all players left with the 4th pick that would be one thing. There is not a single scout that shares that opinion. So yes, it would be a very perplexing pick
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I've seen T. Rob top 4 in a lot of mock drafts, so I don't know what you're talking about.

I trust whomever our organization picks, because they have more knowledge and information than you or I.

I'm just trying to prepare people for the possibility that (a) we are taking BPA regardless of our current roster, and (b) that T. Rob may in fact be BPA when we pick. Some of you guys need to be a little more objective in your thinking.

Do you remember the press conference when Grant said that they would absolutely take a PF if they thought he was BPA? Maybe he was preparing fans like you from crying that the "sky is falling" when we take a PF.
 
I see what you are saying, but I still dont think he is going to be our pick due to the reasons I have provided. I dont think he is clearly the BPA no matter who is taken in the top 3. The opinion on scouts vary from all star to bench player, just like many other top 8 prospects, which fill needs. You dont draft in a vacuum, otherwise why not consider Lillard or Marshall (since they are top 10 talent?) Are the Browns going to draft a RB with thier first rounder next year even if he is BPA? NO. He is not close to the prospect of a Davis (who even could have played aside with TT). There will be backup PF options at 24, 33, and 34, who can give us depth at the 4. That is the appropriate time to start adding depth.
NoTitleTown said:
I've seen T. Rob top 4 in a lot of mock drafts, so I don't know what you're talking about.

I trust whomever our organization picks, because they have more knowledge and information than you or I.

I'm just trying to prepare people for the possibility that (a) we are taking BPA regardless of our current roster, and (b) that T. Rob may in fact be BPA when we pick. Some of you guys need to be a little more objective in your thinking.

Do you remember the press conference when Grant said that they would absolutely take a PF if they thought he was BPA? Maybe he was preparing fans like you from crying that the "sky is falling" when we take a PF.
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Reading mock drafts 30 days before the draft is fun- but the NBA draft is not covered nearly as well as the NFL draft. NBA mock drafts do not become reasonably accurate until a week before the draft. Mock drafts immediately following the lottery are shots in the dark at best and should be taken with a grain of salt. Hell only a few of them are based off actual information, most are taking existing mock drafts and tweeking it to the author's opinion. So to say T-Rob isn't a top 4 guy because he isn't listed in many mock drafts right now is foolish. He has the talent to be in the consideration for a top 4 pick. Will he end up there? No one really knows until we get much closer to the draft.
 
RTrees said:
wuck if you're reading, or anybody else who might know..

how did you know that the coin flip or random drawing some weeks ago in the tiebreaker for the 3 spot between the Cavs and the Hornets was for the single extra combination (middle ball combination?) and not the whole set of numbers?

Is there anywhere to find this information online? Can I ask how you know? Is it a secret?

Thanks..

btw, if I mixed up what you answered me before on this, I apologize. I searched for the post I asked the first time but couldn't find..

ALSO, does anybody know if the numbers that came up in the ping pong ball chamber last night are published some place? Thanks again.
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I'm pretty sure the combinations are all figured out after the coin flips are done. So we were sitting in slot 3a and NOLA was in 3b. So we got a set of number combos and they got a set. If we had lost the tie breaker we would have been in 3b and gotten the set they got, thus the winning combo.
 
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