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What does he do besides be tall?

He's a top quality prospect. He's VERY light in the britches, but he's a tough kid. He doesn't seem to back down--even though strength is a major concern right now. He plays like a center (meaning he doesn't drift to the perimeter). Right now, it's mostly hustle and effort, but the athleticism is Tyson Chandler-like. So is the ability...with a bit more offense. He'll never be the top offensive center in the League, but he'll give you 15-18ppg, 8-11rbg, 2-3bpg when he gets acclimated to the NBA.
 
He's a top quality prospect. He's VERY light in the britches, but he's a tough kid. He doesn't seem to back down--even though strength is a major concern right now. He plays like a center (meaning he doesn't drift to the perimeter). Right now, it's mostly hustle and effort, but the athleticism is Tyson Chandler-like. So is the ability...with a bit more offense. He'll never be the top offensive center in the League, but he'll give you 15-18ppg, 8-11rbg, 2-3bpg when he gets acclimated to the NBA.

I think 12-8 and top notch defense is the floor for him at this point.
 
First of all, he has a GREAT point guard to play with him. He does not get into the lane well, sure, but he does it more than people on here give him credit for. Besides, he is more efficient shooting off the dribble, thats one of his best strengths and I think he has a lot of confidence so he resorts to that a lot. He is very good at creating space off the dribble for his shot. For the three point shot, well some people (me included) think Brad Beal will be a fantastic three point shooter, despite shooting 34% from three. Barnes mechanics are very good, and I think he can improve his shot even more with experience and be a knock down shooter. You are correct about his passing / playmaking, but he makes up for it with other parts of his offensive game. As for not defending well, I will just have to disagree. He was a good to very good defender. Not elite like MKG, but still a good defender. Barnes also has more steals per 40 (and per 40 pace adjusted). He has fewer blocks, but playing with a huge frontcourt could have something to do with it, and thats not too much of a concern to me.


I mean 44% is not really too inefficient. carmelo anthony, regarded as one of the best scorers in the nba, shot 45% in college. Beal is at 44%. Miller 44%. He has obviously improved since his freshman year, when he shot 42%, so i would expect him to continue improving.


First, barnes is a good defender, and Im not sure where you are getting that he is not. Maybe not on Deng's level, but he is good on that end. What players would you take ahead of him? I would take Davis, MKG, Beal, Drummond, and then Barnes. So I don't think he would necessarily be a good pick depending who is left, but I wont be outraged.


There is a poster on a unc site (insidecarolina.com) who does a statistical breakdown of each individual player after every game, including their defensive stop percentage. Barnes consistently graded out poorly. He had some good single game defensive performances, but he did not show good focus or decision-making throughout the season. he consistently lost his man on defense, or left to great of a cushion, or made late rotations/poor decisions on help defense. He was in no way, shape, or form, a good defender in college, even though he had two very good defensive big men to back him up. henson was a good shot-blocker, and zeller was a very smart positional defender, although he is pretty slow laterally.

As for guys I would rather have on the cavs than barnes:
davis
lamb
drummond
mkg
robinson
ross
beal
leonard
harkless
moultrie
rivers
waiters
pj3
zeller


To me, guys like ross and lamb are simply better players/athletes/scorers on the wing, mkg brings more to the table with his defense and intensity, and guys like harkless and rivers are better playmakers. robinson, leonard, moultrie and zeller have offensive games that we need to complement thompson, and drummond (and to a lesser extent pj3) have great potential.
 
Does anyone know when they will be measuring verticals and speed/agility times? Also, what exactly determines which players get everything measured because it seems like a lot of players don't test things like vertical?
 
late to the thread, but where is this rumor for the 10th pick coming from?
 
Does anyone know when they will be measuring verticals and speed/agility times? Also, what exactly determines which players get everything measured because it seems like a lot of players don't test things like vertical?

The results of the athletic testing should be released today or tomorrow. I'm not sure what the holdup is.
 
late to the thread, but where is this rumor for the 10th pick coming from?
hornets were/are supposedly open to dealing it if they can move ariza and/or okafor (plus some other stuff, maybe).

also, henson would've been okay(not at #4) had they not drafted thompson. but another defensive minded PF with a massively limited offensive game? ugh.
 
Henson's 6'11 so he could end up being our center. What would we have to give up to acquire the 10 pick from New Orleans...Varejao/24/33/Walton for Ariza/Okafor/10
 
hornets were/are supposedly open to dealing it if they can move ariza and/or okafor (plus some other stuff, maybe).

also, henson would've been okay(not at #4) had they not drafted thompson. but another defensive minded PF with a massively limited offensive game? ugh.

agree. I like henson pretty well, but he plays basically the same role thompson does. definitely not what we need.

And henson is definitely not a center. he would get absolutely manhandled by any competent center. hes a pf all the way. if he was highly skilled, he would go well beside thompson, but he isnt.
 
Henson's 6'11 so he could end up being our center. What would we have to give up to acquire the 10 pick from New Orleans...Varejao/24/33/Walton for Ariza/Okafor/10
lol, henson is going to struggle against power forwards, much less centers. i mean i guess they could stick him at center just because, but like thompson he'll be playing out of position.

that's way, way too much to give up to move up from 24 to 10.
 
henson would've been okay(not at #4) had they not drafted thompson. but another defensive minded PF with a massively limited offensive game? ugh.

Massively limited? I think that's exaggerating a bit. Henson is lightyears ahead of TT on offense.

He's developed a fairly consistent 10-12 foot jumper, he has some quality post moves and he's a good finisher around the basket. He also is a lot more coordinated than TT at this stage.

He definitely needs to continue to improve but he has a TON of potential along with a good track record of production (14 points, 10 reb, 3 blocks this season) in a good basketball conference.

He's a high character, high ceiling guy (the kind of guy the Cavs love) and he measured long enough (7'5" wingspan, 9'3.5" standing reach) to be considered a combo player at the 4/5 spot.

Maybe it isn't Henson but he just seems to fit the mold better than most everyone else in that range. The Cavs FO could make the trade for #10 and then completely surprise but if Henson's draft stock holds (9-12 range) it will be interesting to see if that's the player the Cavs try to jump up and grab.
 
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Massively limited? I think that's exaggerating a bit. Henson is lightyears ahead TT on offense.

He's developed a fairly consistent 10-12 foot jumper, he has some quality post moves and he's a good finisher around the basket. He also is a lot more coordinated than TT at this stage.

He definitely needs to continue to improve but he has a TON of potential along with a good track record of production (14 points, 10 reb, 3 blocks this season) in a good basketball conference.

He's a high character, high ceiling guy (the kind of guy the Cavs love) and he measured long enough (7'5" wingspan, 9'3.5" standing reach) to be considered a combo player at the 4/5 spot.

Maybe it isn't Henson but he just seems to fit the mold better than most everyone else in that range. The Cavs FO could make the trade for #10 and then completely surprise but if Henson's draft stock holds (9-12 range) it will be interesting to see if that's the player the Cavs try to jump up and grab.
Okay. Thompson is massively limited, Henson is really limited. But, Henson is also going to be 22 years old early next season. It'd obviously be different if he were a freshman. Last year I even said I like Henson more; but now that they chose TT, having Henson too is redundant.

His jumper is okay but not that consistent and he has 1-2 decent post moves (against college players). That still doesn't leave him with huge offensive upside though. He can maybe, maybe turn into a competent offensive player in a few areas; but he'll always be a defense first player. Same can be said for Thompson, so again....redundant.

Though I should note I'm not necessarily against drafting another PF, just not one so, so similar to Thompson.
 
Originally Posted by ajz20 View Post
So, still no news on the secret prospect hmmm

Maybe the 'secret' prospect was Anthony Davis. The story did come out yesterday about the Cavs trying to trade up for him. :uhh:
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>NBA Combine athletic testing results released: <a href="http://t.co/gIxLnWwy" title="http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Combine-Athletic-Testing-Results-Released-3964">draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Co…</a></p>— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/212548728513499137" data-datetime="2012-06-12T14:15:40+00:00">June 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>NBA Combine athletic testing results released: <a href="http://t.co/gIxLnWwy" title="http://www.draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Combine-Athletic-Testing-Results-Released-3964">draftexpress.com/article/NBA-Co…</a></p>&mdash; Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) <a href="https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/212548728513499137" data-datetime="2012-06-12T14:15:40+00:00">June 12, 2012</a></blockquote>
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My observation: Barnes KILLED the athletic testing. Also, FWIW PJ3 did better than Durant in everything.
 

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