2012 NFL Draft Day 2 Thread

[RealKingofCleve]

http://blog.chron.com/ultimatetexans/2012/04/texans-could-trade-jacoby-jones/



I stumbled upon this column regarding Jacoby Jones' sudden availability after the Texans drafted DeVier Posey in the third round. The writer claims that there's a report the Texans are talking to the Browns about swapping Jones for McCoy. I have to admit though, that I'm not terribly familiar with Jones other than the fact that he's a punt/kick returner.

Jacoby Jones is pretty bad. I would rather have a 5th rounder.

 

[Triplethreat]

DO NOT WANT JACOBY JONES.

Dude is literally terrible, this coming from a guy who has watched so many Texans games. That dude should not be touched.

 

[RedBlackAttack]

DO NOT WANT JACOBY JONES.

Dude is literally terrible, this coming from a guy who has watched so many Texans games. That dude should not be touched.

Is he really that much worse than MoMass, who I guess will be our No. 2 receiver next year? I'm not in favor of getting Jones, but with our current receiving corps, we shouldn't be thumbing our noses at anyone. We have the worst group in the league.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Green is elite. Little is a role player.

Cmon people

Once again, I didn't even say they were in the same stratosphere talent wise. Reading comprehension people.

 

[AZ_]

Is he really that much worse than MoMass, who I guess will be our No. 2 receiver next year? I'm not in favor of getting Jones, but with our current receiving corps, we shouldn't be thumbing our noses at anyone. We have the worst group in the league.

Adding more shitty players to it won't change that.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

So they were close in receptions, but in nothing else and that makes their stats comparable? I like Little too, but that is going overboard.

I don't see 300 yards as that big of a difference. Obviously Green is a better player, and obviously he has better numbers. 300 yards to a receiver is a couple of good games. It's not like he doubled him up like Calvin Johnson did.

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

Anybody else think that the Browns might try something like moving Moore to WR? I mean, all he's good for is pass catching anyway he's a horrid blocker. Blocking isn't as important from you receivers as it is from your TEs.

 

[DDJ7777]

I've watched a lot of Texans games as well and Jacoby Jones is not good. He has flashes, but then you want to smack your head against the wall at some of the dumb crap he does.

 

[Smooth]

I'll be honest, I'm kinda of hoping for a Arkansas WR combo in the 4th round with Greg Childs and Jarius Wright/Joe Adams...

There also looks to be some good value left at CB and OLB, I look for the Browns to take advantage of that..

They could use some more depth alone the lines...

 

[metalman213]

im looking on the bright side these days.

had the browns stayed at 67 and drafted hughes... might have jumped off a bridge.

 

[Sly]

Tom Heckert

(On if he saw this as a draft class that was top heavy with receivers)- “To be honest with you, no. We had three guys that we thought were legitimate guys and could come in and play. We are not saying that we didn’t like some guys. There are still guys that we think we have a chance of getting tomorrow that can come in and help us. We thought it was the normal type of thing, you always have three or four guys that everyone has a consensus that these guys are good players. After that you are going to get different opinions, but I think everyone else is kind of just wait and see on these guys.”

Tom Heckert

(On what they liked about Hughes to take him so early)- “We debated on whether staying there and taking him. He was the guy we were going to take if we stayed, but we thought, and we got lucky, that we could get him later on. He is a big, physical guy. You read in the draft books that this guy can stack and shed. Well this guy can stack and shed. He makes plays for a defensive tackle. Some guys can hold the point and just be big bodies in there. But, this guy gets off and he makes tackle. He is not a great pass rusher yet, I think he had five or six sacks this year. he is not a great pass rusher, but I think he can get better there. He is a really good run player.”

Tom Heckert
(On why analysts had Hughes being projected later in the draft)- “I really don’t know. It is funny because everyone was talking about (Derek) Wolfe, the other kid. We liked him. I haven’t talked to anybody about him yet, I will talk to somebody tonight. I don’t know where other scouts had him or where other teams had him, I really don’t.”

Full Transcript

Round 2, Pick 5 (37) Mitchell Schwartz T 6'5" 318 California 82.5

Pick Analysis: Mayock's take: "This is a guy that wins ugly -- but he wins. His stock has been rising ever since the Senior Bowl. His technique and the angles he takes are phenomenal. He's a plug-and-play right tackle, so he better be a starter right away."

Round 3, Pick 24 (87) (From Broncos) John Hughes DT 6'2" 309 Cincinnati 48.2

Pick Analysis: Mayock's take: "He's been rising over about the last two months or so. He's not elite in any one solid category, but he will be a good rotational player."

Remaining Picks.
Round 4, Pick 5 (100)
Round 4, Pick 25 (120) (From Broncos)
Round 5, Pick 25 (160) (From Broncos)
Round 6, Pick 34 (204) (Compensatory selection)
Round 6, Pick 35 (205) (Compensatory selection)
Round 7, Pick 38 (245) (Compensatory selection)
Round 7, Pick 40 (247) (Compensatory selection)

 

[MoFlo]

Moflodeepintheq approves. Lmfao.

Wow, your last 2 posts were absolute doozies... They were so good & funny, that absolutely nobody agreed or thanked you for them, even the other people who agree with your logic and/or disagree with me..

You're on fire right now man, keep it up..

 

[Soda]

Graded by whom?

Hairpiece Kiper and a former backup QB from Richmond University (McShay)?

Neither of them work in the NFL. They work for an outlet who has no affiliation, and both are known to accept gifts from agents to push certain players.

Their board, and the boards of NFL teams....are different. All of them.

These guys had almost every pick wrong, every single one...They're not intelligent enough to grade out mid-round prospects.



Don't know a thing about Hughes, but I'm not going to pretend to be upset about a guy I know nothing about.

I don't always see eye to eye with you, but you brought good stuff yesterday.

On a side note, wasn't going to come on here until after the draft.. Until I drank last night.

 

[Maximus]

2012 NFL Draft: Winners, losers from second and third rounds

NEW YORK -- When the NFL decided to break up the first three rounds of the draft into two days, teams thought the second round would basically become a "second first round."
Turns out they were right.

Some very talented players went to teams on Friday evening -- in both the second and third rounds -- leading to a stronger buzz at Radio City Music Hall than expected. The following headlines cover the ups and downs of the second day of the draft.

Winners right off the bat

• Reigning in Baltimore: Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome trades completely out of the first round, but still ends up with the solid strongside linebacker his defense needed in Alabama's Courtney Upshaw at No. 35. Some worry about a lack of explosion in Upshaw's game, but the Ravens will just line him up outside to set the edge and attack the passer when needed. Getting massive Kelechi Osemele from Iowa State in the second round (a very strong starting guard if he doesn't project to tackle for them) and powerful running back Bernard Pierce in the third were also solid picks.

• Packers play it smart: Green Bay Packers GM Ted Thompson is more likely to trade down to accumulate picks than make a strong move up the board for a player he covets. But he will take a chance if he sees a player worth the price. Grabbing Michigan State's Jerel Worthy, a potential first-round pick, to play inside and outside in the team's three-man front in exchange for a fourth-round pick seemed a prudent move. Thompson then traded up again just 11 spots later in the second round to secure the services of Vanderbilt cornerback Casey Hayward by giving up a fifth-round choice. The two fourth-rounders they received from the league as compensation for lost free agents still allows the team to find depth at other positions while meeting two strong needs with players of good value.

• Champs get even better: The Giants added strong talent by just picking the top player on the board. Adding LSU receiver Rueben Randle with the last pick in the second round gives the Super Bowl champions a great third receiver to put on the field with Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz. Jayron Hosley's off-field issues and lack of size (5-10, 178) caused some teams to stay away, but the Virginia Tech corner's feisty playing style and a solid locker room made him worth investing the penultimate Friday night pick.

• Two receivers find perfect fits: The Giants weren't the only team to get a bargain receiver in the second round. Rex Ryan and the Jets found a younger version of Plaxico Burress to stretch the field in Stephen Hill at No. 43. The Bears gave quarterback Jay Cutler a physical downfield receiver in Alshon Jeffery two picks later. Adding Hill to Holmes in the Jets' offense, as well as pairing Marshall and Jeffery on the Bears, makes both teams more likely to challenge for a division title in 2012.

• Bills keep Glenn close: Cordy Glenn might have issues with quickness at left tackle at the next level, but the ex-Georgia Bulldogs' footwork looked good enough at the Senior Bowl to earn a shot on the blind side for the Bills. The power he showed at guard in 2010 will certainly be utilized if his stay at tackle is short-lived. Either way, he fits a major need for Buffalo.


Losers for now, but time will tell

• Browns whiffed: Mitchell Schwartz will be a solid right tackle in the league, but Cleveland's use of the 37th overall selection to bring him on board will be seen by most teams as a reach based on need. Improving their receiving corps with Hill or Jeffery might have made more sense. Selecting Cincinnati's John Hughes in the third round is a bit of a head-scratcher, as well.

• Patriots stun, but not in a good way: New England's pick of Illinois safety Tavon Wilson was the most surprising pick in the second round since Oakland took safety Mike Mitchell with the 47th pick of the 2009 draft. Wilson was not invited to the combine and received little buzz heading into the draft, leading most to wonder if the Patriots maximized the value of that pick.

• Jags might have Angered fan base: The Jaguars used the 70th overall pick to select Cal punter Bryan Anger. Now, Anger is clearly the best punter in the class and should have a long career. But a team in need of improvement in the offensive line and secondary should have addressed one of those positions at that point of the draft and picked up a specialist like Georgia's Drew Butler in the fifth or sixth round.

Follow Chad Reuter on Twitter @ChadReuter

 

[The Oi]

Pretty sure Heckert's drafts have been called losers every year for what it's worth.