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2012 NFL Draft Rumor Thread

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It seems like a lot of us are trying to fix all our problems in this one draft.. Sure, acquiring more picks is great, but we are the least star-studded team in the NFL. I personally think the Browns are just focusing on whether to take Blackmon or Richardson at #4.. Tannehill at 4? Are you kidding? That's preposterous, and while Philly seems like a good trade down scenario, we traded down last year. We need some big time playmakers. If we get Richardson, there's good value at 22 & 37 for WR. And vice versa if we get Blackmon. Honestly if we get Richardson & Wright, or Blackmon & Martin, that's the best first round we could hope for.
 
According to a poll done by CBS Sports' Rob Rang, 3-of-3 teams interviewed on Friday night did not consider Oklahoma State WR Justin Blackmon an "elite" or top-five prospect in the 2012 draft.

There is just no way the Browns are taking this guy.

I'd love to get him at 15, he is the perfect guy at that spot.
 
There is just no way the Browns are taking this guy.

I'd love to get him at 15, he is the perfect guy at that spot.

I agree. The Browns are taking Richardson or trading down. Blackmon would be great at 15 but it's never going to happen.
 
Why is it ok for Miami or Philly to trade up to take the QB but it is blasphemous for the Browns to do so?

Also we have 5 positions where we need new starters (QB, WR, RT on offense and LB, CB on defense). You can get a good majority of those in this draft.

Also don't give me the QB class is better next year crap as I can make an argument it is not really (plus I hear this every year).
 
Don't get all the Blackmon hate

He's not that big, he's not that fast, his hands aren't flawless.....he's just not elite as a prospect and doesn't deserve to be a top 5 pick just because of his gaudy numbers.

Been saying it for a while now.
 
He's not that big, he's not that fast, his hands aren't flawless.....he's just not elite as a prospect and doesn't deserve to be a top 5 pick just because of his gaudy numbers.

Been saying it for a while now.

Julio Jones was a much better prospect last year than blackmon this year and we traded away Julio jones.
 
Why is it ok for Miami or Philly to trade up to take the QB but it is blasphemous for the Browns to do so?

Also we have 5 positions where we need new starters (QB, WR, RT on offense and LB, CB on defense). You can get a good majority of those in this draft.

Also don't give me the QB class is better next year crap as I can make an argument it is not really (plus I hear this every year).

Because trading up to get Tannehill would be a bad move, and as Browns fans we encourage other teams to make bad moves. So it's ok :) plus, Philly (not so much Miami) has no HUGE position needs (outside of OT and LB) while we have tons. So trading up isn't a good idea for us as we are losing our chance to at least fill what we can in this draft. Even Miami has fewer problems than we do. Tannehill just isn't worth the 4th overall when you have way better options.

Like I read somewhere (maybe even here.. Hell idk) Tannehill rose up draft boards like Jamarcus Russel because he's looked good playing in shorts, I just don't think his on the field play has earned him the 4th overall, and, IMO, a pick inside the top 20.

FTR, I don't think next year's QB class is better. Outside of Barkley I see a bunch of Weedens & Osweilers.
 
He's not that big, he's not that fast, his hands aren't flawless.....he's just not elite as a prospect and doesn't deserve to be a top 5 pick just because of his gaudy numbers.

Been saying it for a while now.

I mean, his stats speak for itself. And have you even watched him? 6'1 is a fine size for a WR, he doesn't need to be Plaxico fuckin Burress. He ran a 4.41 and a 4.46 at his pro day. Plenty fast. And his hands are his best quality, if you've watched him then the least you could say is he has great hands, so idk where you're getting this from. If it's just your opinion, then fine, but if you're looking at the numbers... You're wrong.

My only knock on him is he's really black but sounds like he's really white. :dunno:
 
Julio Jones and Blackmon really have nothing to do with each other. I hate when people say we aren't taking Blackmon because we traded out from Julio Jones last year and Jones is better than Blackmon. Essentially this is what we did...
Julio Jones for Phil Taylor/Greg Little and the 22nd pick which might be a guy like Kendall Wright. 3 starters for the price of 1.
 
[video=youtube;LmfM5XZaFR0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfM5XZaFR0[/video]
I want something to look forward too, if we are not throwing the ball down field!
 
I mean, his stats speak for itself. And have you even watched him? 6'1 is a fine size for a WR, he doesn't need to be Plaxico fuckin Burress. He ran a 4.41 and a 4.46 at his pro day. Plenty fast. And his hands are his best quality, if you've watched him then the least you could say is he has great hands, so idk where you're getting this from. If it's just your opinion, then fine, but if you're looking at the numbers... You're wrong.

My only knock on him is he's really black but sounds like he's really white. :dunno:

This is from a Jaguars blog, but these are my thoughts on Blackmon:

One of the most common players in the 2012 NFL Draft I'm asked about by Jacksonville Jaguars fans in regards to if the Jaguars will draft them is Oklahoma State wide receiver Justin Blackmon. Now, if you read Big Cat Country on a regular basis, you know I've long not been a fan of Blackmon with the No. 7 overall pick. This is often construed as me "hating" Blackmon or not thinking he's a good football player. That couldn't be further from the truth, because I do think Blackmon was a wonderful college player, but I'm weary as to how much of his game translates to the NFL.

I personally don't think that Blackmon is worthy of a Top 10 pick, but I also don't think any wide receiver in this class is worthy of a Top 10 pick, so it's not really anything against Blackmon in particular. I've been going back and watching some game cut ups of some players and I was watching one on Iowa State cornerback Leonard Johnson, and it just happened to be Johnson's 2011 game against Oklahoma State, in which the Cyclones upset the Cowboys and Blackmon was held to one of his lowest outputs in recent years.



Against Iowa State, Blackmon was held to just 10 receptions for 99 yards and a touchdown in a double overtime loss. While that's not necessarily a "bad game" per say, it's not a great one when you look at it.
Here is a game cut up of Leonard Johnson, who predominantly covers Justin Blackmon the majority of the game.


Now, Leonard Johnson is a smaller (5-foot-10, 196 pounds) cornerback who's physical and excels in press man. He's not fast, but he's physical and will jam receivers at the line of scrimmage when he's allowed to play in press man coverage. Currently, Johnson is projected to be a nickel/inside corner in the NFL and a late-round draft pick. Blackmon, when facing Johnson in press man coverage, struggled to break free and separate from Johnson which limited the majority of his catches to come from come back routes or just quick crossing patterns.

Blackmon did have two nice longer catches against Johnson, one coming from a perfectly placed pass by Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden and another that was a good adjustment and catch by Blackmon. Both instances however, Blackmon wasn't really "open" and didn't separate from Johnson.

On the touchdown pass, Blackmon is running a route down the sideline and Johnson positions himself on the inside using the sideline to limit where Blackmon can cut. Weeden drops in a perfectly placed pass on Blackmon's right shoulder and Blackmon catches the ball (with his hands) and cuts in while Johnson's back is turned for the easy touchdown. Blackmon doesn't create any separation on the route, but he adjust well to the smartly placed pass by Weeden. You can skip to the particular catch in the video here.

The other nice catch that Blackmon had, his longest of the game, was a 28-yard catch where Blackmon actually plucked the ball out of the air. He was once again facing Johnson in press man coverage and runs what looks like a seven-route (corner route) and hauls the pass in as he goes out of bounds. Blackmon brought in the pass and Weeden put the ball where it needed to be, but Blackmon still didn't really create much separation wise from the much slower (at least, 40-time wise) Johnson. Still, Blackmon hauled in the pass for the chunk of yardage. You can skip to the particular catch in the video here.

Now, those were some of the good plays by Blackmon, but now we will look at some of the plays where he struggled to get open and let Johnson stay in his hip pocket. In the play, the pass isn't to Blackmon, but if it was it would have had to have been perfectly placed by Weeden, as Johnson is just blanketing him on the route. You can skip to the particular catch in the video here.

Just a few plays later, Weeden tried to hit Blackmon deep again on the play, but Johnson once again had Blackmon absolutely blanketed on the play and Weeden was forced to over throw the ball. Johnson again lined up in press man coverage and just stayed in Blackmon's hip pocket the entire route. This play in particular is part of why I'm not buying Blackmon being "fast" on his 40-yard dash time from his Pro Day. If you watch the play, Blackmon just can't get free of Johnson. Johnson isn't a fast player either and ran a dreadful 4.73 40-yard dash at the NFL Combine.

This is just one game for Blackmon, but it's more indicative of what he's going to face in regards to NFL defenses as it's one of the few times he face actual "man" coverage while at Oklahoma State. If you watch the cut up in it's entirety you'll see where Blackmon does most of his damage, which is underneath eating up 7-yard cushions with quick passing. To me, that's just not what I want out of a receiver I'm picking in the Top 10. I want a guy who can threaten from the entire route tree, not just the underneath stuff.

He's going to play against more man coverage and against bigger, faster, and better cornerbacks than Leonard Johnson in the NFL and I believe he's going to struggle to be that "No. 1 wide receiver" than people have made him out to be. I think he'll be an alright wide receiver in the NFL, but as a complimentary receiver. I hate comparing him to Michael Crabtree, because it seems so lazy and easy to draw the comparison. The fact of the matter is though, their games and skill set are very, very similar and we see what Crabtree has to do in the NFL. Eat up cushion and underneath routes, doesn't challenge vertically at all.


If the Jaguars were picking more in the 15-20 range, then someone like Justin Blackmon would make perfect sense, but they're not. They're picking in the Top 10 and if you're picking a wide receiver in the Top 10, they need to be in that "elite" receiver mold because they're going to be your go-to guy. You want to get that "X" receiver not the "Z" receiver. I'm not sure Blackmon can be that go-to guy, and his performance against press man is just one of the reasons I feel that way.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/3/31/2916807/justin-blackmon-nfl-draft-2012

Edit: here's the video they refer to in the article

[video=youtube;nLSX5dI5uhw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nLSX5dI5uhw[/video]
 
took this off the Yahoo ticker...
One NFL team is dead-set on drafting Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill — and most of the league knows it.
That team was the Miami Dolphins..

Will Miami trade up for Tannehill? To #3? or can we get them to trade up at #4?
If they trade up to #3, now Kalil falls to #4, does someone else trade up? St. Louis?
 
I mean, his stats speak for itself. And have you even watched him? 6'1 is a fine size for a WR, he doesn't need to be Plaxico fuckin Burress. He ran a 4.41 and a 4.46 at his pro day. Plenty fast. And his hands are his best quality, if you've watched him then the least you could say is he has great hands, so idk where you're getting this from. If it's just your opinion, then fine, but if you're looking at the numbers... You're wrong.

My only knock on him is he's really black but sounds like he's really white. :dunno:

I'm sorry, I just don't care about his stats.

They don't speak to anything NFL related, aside from him playing in an offense designed to get him 11-15 touches per game on the same four-five routes.

He's had problems with drops his entire career at Oklahoma State, I'm sorry you hadn't noticed.

But the fact of the matter is he's not in the same class as AJ Green, Julio Jones or Calvin Johnson...and those are the types of players who command taking a luxury pick like WR in the top 5.

Blackmon just isn't that. And while I still think he can be a very good player, he's just not an elite prospect. He's arguably not even the best WR this year.
 

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