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2012 Presidential Election

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Who Will Win the 2012 Presidential Election?

  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 70 60.9%
  • Mitt Romney

    Votes: 42 36.5%
  • Electoral College Tie

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    115
  • Poll closed .
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I don't know. Do voters really seriously care who the running mate is? Do we think it mattered one iota who McCain had as a running mate? I just don't think so.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I don't know. Do voters really seriously care who the running mate is? Do we think it mattered one iota who McCain had as a running mate? I just don't think so.

Yes
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

But seriously, Michelle Bachmann is fucking crazy.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I don't know. Do voters really seriously care who the running mate is? Do we think it mattered one iota who McCain had as a running mate? I just don't think so.

do you not remember the 2008 election at all doug? Sarah Palin was the single most polarizing figure of that election
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I don't know. Do voters really seriously care who the running mate is? Do we think it mattered one iota who McCain had as a running mate? I just don't think so.

I think the VP choice can hurt a candidate but not really help. You don't hear people talk about voting for someone because of the No. 2. But you do hear people say, WTF?
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I am from Texas and I personally do not respect Perry for a ton of reasons, Ill pass some of the dirt along. Perry mandated an HPV shot for all girls to go to public schools that was suppose to help prevent STD's. Problem is, when you start talking about a childs sexuality and taking their rights and their parents rights away to say no... Perry tried to claim it wasn't a mandate, because there was a objector loop hole.

http://bcove.me/pclpfc70

Says his executive order requiring young girls to be vaccinated against HPV wasn't mandatory.

This also goes with the comments I made earlier in this thread.
 
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Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

do you not remember the 2008 election at all doug? Sarah Palin was the single most polarizing figure of that election

The Republicans lost, so my guess is that Doug did forget.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Not a Perry fan but I like this guy Gary Johnson (he was given a nickname of Governor Veto because he veto'd almost everything his first 6 months in office in NM of his first term in his 2nd term he veto'd more than the other 49 Governor's combined)

Campaign Site

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

Here is his Wiki, I copied his term summary and pasted it here, the part about him stomping out a fire puts a weird mental image in my head for some reason

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson

First term

Johnson entered politics for the first time in 1994, with the intention of running for governor and was advised by "Republican Elders"[16] to run for the State Legislature instead.[16] In spite of their advice, Johnson spent $500,000 of his own money and entered the race with the intent of bringing a "common sense business approach" to the office.[23] Johnson's campaign slogan was "People before Politics".[24] His platform emphasized tax cuts, job creation, state government spending growth restraint, and law and order.[5]

He won the Republican nomination, defeating state legislator Richard P. Cheney by 34% to 33%, with John Dendahl and former governor David F. Cargo in third and fourth. Johnson also won the general election, defeating the incumbent Democratic Governor Bruce King by 50% to 40%. Johnson was elected in a nationally Republican year, although party registration in the state of New Mexico at the time was 2-to-1 Democratic.

As governor, Johnson followed a strict small government approach. According to former New Mexico Republican National Committee member Mickey D. Barnett, "Any time someone approached him about legislation for some purpose, his first response always was to ask if government should be involved in that to begin with."[25] He vetoed 200 of 424 bills in his first six months in office – a national record of 48% of all legislation – and used the line-item veto on most remaining bills.[4]

In office, Johnson fulfilled his campaign promise to reduce the 10% annual growth of the state budget.[citation needed] In his first budget, Johnson proposed a wide range of tax cuts, including a repeal of the prescription drug tax, a $47 million income tax cut, and a 6 cents per gallon gasoline tax cut. However, of these, only the gasoline tax cut was passed.[26] During the November 1995 federal government shutdown, he joined 20 other Republican governors who called on the Republican leadership in Congress to stand firm in negotiations against the Clinton administration in budget negotiations; in the article reporting on the letter and concomitant news conference he was quoted as calling for eliminating the budget deficit through proportional cuts across the budget.[27]

Although Johnson worked to reduce overall state spending, in his first term, Johnson raised education spending by nearly a third. [11] When drop-out rates and test scores showed little improvement, Johnson changed his tactics and began advocating for school vouchers – a key issue in budget battles of his second term. [11]

Like other southwestern states, New Mexico must deal with a scarcity of fresh water and threats of drought,[citation needed] and these issues were acute in the late 1990s. In 1998, Johnson established a state drought task force; the result was a coordinated effort among state and federal officials to anticipate drought conditions and disseminate information ahead of an actual shortage.[28]
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Second term

In 1998, Johnson ran for re-election as governor against Democratic Albuquerque Mayor Martin Chavez. In his campaign, he promised to continue the policies of his first term: improving schools; cutting state spending, taxes, and bureaucracy; and frequent use of his veto power.[29] Fielding a strong Hispanic candidate in a 40% Hispanic state, the Democrats were expected to oust Johnson,[11] but Johnson won by a 55% to 45% margin:[30] making him the first Governor of New Mexico to serve two four-year terms after term limits were expanded to two terms in 1991.[23]

Johnson made the promotion of a school voucher system a "hallmark issue" of his second term.[31] In 1999, he proposed the first state-wide voucher system in America, which would have enrolled 100,000 students in its first year.[11] That year, he vetoed two budgets that failed to include a voucher program and a government shutdown was threatened,[11] but ultimately yielded to Democrat majorities in both houses of the New Mexico Legislature, who opposed the plan. Johnson signed the budget, but line-item vetoed a further $21m, or 0.5%, from the legislative plan.[32]

In 1999, Johnson became one of the highest-ranking elected officials in the United States to advocate the legalization of marijuana.[33] Saying the War on Drugs was "an expensive bust," he advocated the decriminalization of marijuana use and concentration on harm reduction measures for all other illegal drugs. "He compared attempts to enforce the nation's drug laws with the failed attempt at alcohol prohibition. Half of what government spends on police, courts and prisons is to deal with drug offenders."[20] He suggests that drug abuse be treated as a health issue, not as a criminal issue. His approach to the issue garnered supportive notice from conservative icon William F. Buckley,[34] as well as the Cato Institute and Rolling Stone.[16]

In 2000, Johnson proposed a more ambitious voucher program than he had proposed the year before, under which each parent would receive $3,500 per child for education at any private or parochial school.[31] The Democrats sought $90m extra school funding without school vouchers, and questioned Johnson's request for more funding for state-run prisons, having opposed his opening of two private prisons.[35] Negotiations between the governor and the legislature were contentious, again nearly leading to shut down the government.

In 2000, New Mexico was devastated by the Cerro Grande Fire. Johnson's handling of the disaster earned him accolades from the The Denver Post, which observed that he:

was all over the Cerro Grande Fire last week. He helped reporters understand where the fire was headed when low-level Forest Service officials couldn't, ran herd over the bureaucratic process of getting state and federal agencies and the National Guard involved, and even helped put out some of the fire with his feet. On a tour of Los Alamos last Wednesday, when he saw small flames spreading across a lawn, he had his driver stop his car. He jumped out and stomped on the flames, as did his wife and some of his staffers.[12]

Johnson's leadership during the fire was praised by Democratic Congressman Tom Udall, who said: "I think the real test of leadership is when you have circumstances like this. He's called on his reserves of energy and has just been a really excellent leader under very difficult circumstances here."[12]

He rebuffed efforts by the Libertarian Party to draft him in the 2000 presidential election.[36]

Legacy

In an interview in Reason Magazine in January 2001, Johnson's accomplishments in office were described as follows: "no tax increases in six years, a major road building program, shifting Medicaid to managed care, constructing two new private prisons, canning 1,200 state employees, and vetoing a record number of bills."[23]

Andrew Sullivan quoted a claim that Johnson "is highly regarded in the state for his outstanding leadership during two terms as governor. He slashed the size of state government during his term and left the state with a large budget surplus."[37] According to one New Mexico paper, "Johnson left the state fiscally solid," and was "arguably the most popular governor of the decade . . . leaving the state with a $1 billion budget surplus."[38] The Washington Times has reported that when Johnson left office, "the size of state government had been substantially reduced and New Mexico was enjoying a large budget surplus."[25]

According to a profile of Johnson in the National Review, "During his tenure, he vetoed more bills than the other 49 governors combined — 750 in total, one third of which had been introduced by Republican legislators. Johnson also used his line-item-veto power thousands of times. He credits his heavy veto pen for eliminating New Mexico's budget deficit and cutting the growth rate of New Mexico's government in half."[39] Johnson has "said his numerous vetoes, only two of which were overridden, stemmed from his philosophy of looking at all things for their cost-benefit ratio and his axe fell on Republicans as well as Democrats."[20]
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Tea Partiers (as perceived, if not true blue fiscal conservatives)

Michelle Bachman 28%
Ron Paul 27%
Herman Cain 8%
Rick Perry 4%

Total of 67%

vs.

Establishment

Tim Pawlenty 13%
Rick Santorum 9%
Mitt Romney 3%
Newt Gingrich 2%

Total of 27%

(These totals don’t add up to 100% because of rounding and candidates with less than 1% and the “scattering” figure.)


The warmongering, high-spending Republican establishment can eat my balls.

Newt and Mitt didnt participate, your numbers are worthless. Pawlenty did participate and still came in third which is why he shut down his campaign.
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Newt and Mitt didnt participate, your numbers are worthless.
Newt Gingrich did "participate":

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Here are the list of candidates who participated in the debate in Ames, Iowa last Thursday. Newt was at least a step up from Romney's involvement- which was only for a day- or Palin's involvement, which was from outside the ticket gates.

Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, Tim Pawlenty, Ron Paul, Herman Cain, Jon Huntsman, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich

Mitt did not actively campaign there because in a crowded field he can only suffer. If he put full effort into it only to inevitably perform poorly he would likely have appeared weak. Instead, he focuses on New Hampshire. He abstained not because the straw poll didn't matter, or the "numbers are worthless" as you say; he didn't participate because the straw poll mattered too much and the results would politically backfire.

The straw poll represents what attracts the Republican base. It seems obvious to me Tea Party rhetoric of different stripes takes the cake. Does that not make sense given the last election cycle?

Pawlenty did participate and still came in third which is why he shut down his campaign.
Yup, he saw the straw poll as a necessary motivator for donations and recruitment. 3rd place didn't get him what he needed.


Newt and Mitt didnt participate, your numbers are worthless. Pawlenty did participate and still came in third which is why he shut down his campaign.
Yup, Pawlenty invested 1 million USD in a vain effort to perform well in the straw poll and summarily withdrew because the numbers of the poll are worthless. Your viewpoint is rock solid.





Also, just for kicks:

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...ul-says-members-military-have-given-him-far-/

After we conducted this rough check, Paul’s campaign spokesman, Gary Howard, said by email that their numbers showed that Paul garnered $34,480 from members of the military; other GOP candidates fielded $13,848 and Obama took in $19,849.

Summing up, Paul’s military-connected contributions for the three months more than double such contributions to all the other Republican presidential candidates—and they also exceed Obama’s.

We rate his statement True.

:chuckles: Uh-oh...
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Perry has already caught Romney in primary polls in Colorado and North Carolina (somehow Palin is also tied with Romney in North Carolina): http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/ Perhaps Palin always had that amount of support and Perry is simply taking Romney's votes, not sure.

I think the VP choice most definitely matters. As others said it is easier for the VP to screw things up (Palin), but a good candidate in terms of both campaign strategy and appealing highly to a certain base can definitely boost a campaign.

I think the best VP Romney or Perry could choose is Rubio. It would give the GOP a very good chance in Florida, which is basically a must-win if Obama is going to be taken down.

Perry will undoubtedly sweep across the south, but Romney could use Rubio in the south, where there are a lot of Hispanic voters. Plus Romney will not connect well with evangelical southerners because he is Mormon. Perry might actually be Romney's best VP choice because he would help Romney a lot in the south, but I don't see Perry wanting to be VP. Three states that are pretty much must-win for the GOP (Bush won them, then Obama won them) are Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada. All of those states have a lot of Hispanics as well. Not saying they will immediately connect with Rubio, but it has to do some good.
 
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Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

Uh. So when does Jindal decide to run? I'm tired of waiting for him
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I'm afraid of telling you my take on Jindal. You're my only RCF friend I have left. :uhh:
 
Re: Gov. Rick Perry: The Candidate Obama Would Fear the Most

I'm afraid of telling you my take on Jindal. You're my only RCF friend I have left. :uhh:

Haha. It's cool. I don't let politics effect my life. Dislike him all you want.
 

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