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2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied, No Bids, Cleared Waivers
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
I believe the minimum bid is the veteran's minimum.
Alonzo Gee has trade value only if you could somehow increase his salary by six fold....then the Knicks might decided to take him straight up for Amare at that point, since the second year of Gee's deal is not guaranteed. Trade value right now has to be negative.
I believe the minimum bid is the veteran's minimum.
Alonzo Gee has trade value only if you could somehow increase his salary by six fold....then the Knicks might decided to take him straight up for Amare at that point, since the second year of Gee's deal is not guaranteed. Trade value right now has to be negative.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
3 point specialist who's a team player. Sounds like what we need at small forward. Only Miller is 33 years old, and his days of starting are behind him.
Mike Miller
C.J. Miles
Alonzo Gee
Earl Clark
Anthony Bennett
Sergey Karasev
Felix
:vomit
It's gonna be ugly at small forward that's for sure.
3 point specialist who's a team player. Sounds like what we need at small forward. Only Miller is 33 years old, and his days of starting are behind him.
Mike Miller
C.J. Miles
Alonzo Gee
Earl Clark
Anthony Bennett
Sergey Karasev
Felix
:vomit
It's gonna be ugly at small forward that's for sure.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
Back fusion is not trivial. 3 months minimum no activity then you can rehab and try to get in shape. I would say 6 months to be nba useful in limited minutes. But, if he comes back with his shot intact, he could be a valuable trade asset for a playoff bubble team at the deadline, or a team dumping longer term contracts. the important point is that if we have the cap space and we get him cheap, it is a low risk high reward move.
Back fusion is not trivial. 3 months minimum no activity then you can rehab and try to get in shape. I would say 6 months to be nba useful in limited minutes. But, if he comes back with his shot intact, he could be a valuable trade asset for a playoff bubble team at the deadline, or a team dumping longer term contracts. the important point is that if we have the cap space and we get him cheap, it is a low risk high reward move.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
Wonder if this move actually means that CAVS think Karasev just might not be coming over this year. That would suck.
Wonder if this move actually means that CAVS think Karasev just might not be coming over this year. That would suck.
Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
This is the minimum bid:
The minimum bid for a partial waiver claim is whichever of the following is larger:
The sum of the player's minimum salary for all remaining years of his contract, except for completely non-guaranteed seasons (seasons with 0% salary protection) which are ignored for this purpose.
The sum of all non-guaranteed salary in partially-guaranteed seasons.
For example, if a 10+ year veteran is amnestied in 2012 with three years remaining on his contract at $10 million each season, and his salary is guaranteed 100% in 2012-13, 60% in 2013-14, and 0% in 2014-15, then the minimum bid for a partial waiver claim is $4 million -- the unprotected amount in the partly-protected 2013-14 season, which is larger than the sum of the minimum salaries for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons. Since the 2014-15 season is completely unprotected, it is ignored when determining the minimum bid amount.
If instead the above player's salary was 100% guaranteed in all three seasons, the minimum bid amount would be $4,200,178 -- the sum of the minimum salaries for a 10+ year veteran for those three seasons.
In order to submit a bid for a partial waiver claim, the bidding team must have cap room equivalent to the portion of their bid that would be charged to team salary in that season, plus the amount of any likely bonuses (see question number 72) for that season. If necessary, teams can create this cap room by waiving non-guaranteed players, but not by making trades. The team must make the cap room available immediately upon being awarded the amnesty claim.
An amnestied player's Bird clock does not reset when he is awarded to the team with the winning bid. In addition, for the purpose of the Bird exceptions (see question number 25) his prior salary is considered to be his full season salary. For example, if a player with a $10 million salary is amnestied, claimed by another team for $1 million, and subsequently becomes an Early Bird free agent, his free agent cap hold (see question number 37) is $13 million (130% of $10 million), and his team can re-sign him for up to 175% of his full $10 million salary (subject to maximum salary restrictions) using the Early Bird exception.
The waiving team may not re-sign or re-acquire the player for the length of his contract (which includes seasons following an ETO, but does not include seasons following an option), and the claiming team is prohibited from trading the player until the following July 1.
This is the minimum bid:
The minimum bid for a partial waiver claim is whichever of the following is larger:
The sum of the player's minimum salary for all remaining years of his contract, except for completely non-guaranteed seasons (seasons with 0% salary protection) which are ignored for this purpose.
The sum of all non-guaranteed salary in partially-guaranteed seasons.
For example, if a 10+ year veteran is amnestied in 2012 with three years remaining on his contract at $10 million each season, and his salary is guaranteed 100% in 2012-13, 60% in 2013-14, and 0% in 2014-15, then the minimum bid for a partial waiver claim is $4 million -- the unprotected amount in the partly-protected 2013-14 season, which is larger than the sum of the minimum salaries for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons. Since the 2014-15 season is completely unprotected, it is ignored when determining the minimum bid amount.
If instead the above player's salary was 100% guaranteed in all three seasons, the minimum bid amount would be $4,200,178 -- the sum of the minimum salaries for a 10+ year veteran for those three seasons.
In order to submit a bid for a partial waiver claim, the bidding team must have cap room equivalent to the portion of their bid that would be charged to team salary in that season, plus the amount of any likely bonuses (see question number 72) for that season. If necessary, teams can create this cap room by waiving non-guaranteed players, but not by making trades. The team must make the cap room available immediately upon being awarded the amnesty claim.
An amnestied player's Bird clock does not reset when he is awarded to the team with the winning bid. In addition, for the purpose of the Bird exceptions (see question number 25) his prior salary is considered to be his full season salary. For example, if a player with a $10 million salary is amnestied, claimed by another team for $1 million, and subsequently becomes an Early Bird free agent, his free agent cap hold (see question number 37) is $13 million (130% of $10 million), and his team can re-sign him for up to 175% of his full $10 million salary (subject to maximum salary restrictions) using the Early Bird exception.
The waiving team may not re-sign or re-acquire the player for the length of his contract (which includes seasons following an ETO, but does not include seasons following an option), and the claiming team is prohibited from trading the player until the following July 1.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
Wouldn't mind signing him as a glue guy/mentor for these younger guys. Not to mention he's good for a couple of three's in the postseason, and could help in our pitch to LBJ next summer.
Wouldn't mind signing him as a glue guy/mentor for these younger guys. Not to mention he's good for a couple of three's in the postseason, and could help in our pitch to LBJ next summer.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
This does not agree with me a lot. I think Miller is broke dispite his stats from last year. It has not worked out in the past for the Cavs trying to aquire a outside shooter past his prime..
They come here and their demise is accelerated greatly.
Is Miller the only shooter left out there? I have not looked at the remaining FA's.
This does not agree with me a lot. I think Miller is broke dispite his stats from last year. It has not worked out in the past for the Cavs trying to aquire a outside shooter past his prime..
They come here and their demise is accelerated greatly.
Is Miller the only shooter left out there? I have not looked at the remaining FA's.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
Sorry to retreat to a discussion on the last page, but that ref was not giving a high five to Spoelstra. He was tapping him as a polite signal to move back to where he was supposed to be.
Sorry to retreat to a discussion on the last page, but that ref was not giving a high five to Spoelstra. He was tapping him as a polite signal to move back to where he was supposed to be.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
Miller also doesn't strike me a 'veteran mentor' type player. He seems like a me-first front running douche that would be mailing it in for a paycheck because he can't be traded until next July.
Miller also doesn't strike me a 'veteran mentor' type player. He seems like a me-first front running douche that would be mailing it in for a paycheck because he can't be traded until next July.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
I sure hope not. At this stage of their careers, CJ Miles is way more athletic than a broken down Mike Miller. CJ's the better player overall and can become just as good of a shooter, in time. I really hope they don't claim Miller, as it seems like a waste of money.
I sure hope not. At this stage of their careers, CJ Miles is way more athletic than a broken down Mike Miller. CJ's the better player overall and can become just as good of a shooter, in time. I really hope they don't claim Miller, as it seems like a waste of money.
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Re: 2013 Mike Miller Thriller - Amnestied , Cavs interested ???
Cavs are nottrying to bring in Mike Miller to be a part of the core. If he can come in and play 15-20 minutes a game and put in about 50-60 games he was a worthwhile acquisition.
Cavs are nottrying to bring in Mike Miller to be a part of the core. If he can come in and play 15-20 minutes a game and put in about 50-60 games he was a worthwhile acquisition.