2013 NFL Draft thread

[Sly]

I'm sure he was instrumental in picking.... JT over AP... or something.

 

[Surge]

Lombardi: "Hey, who's scouting these players and giving us these shitty reports?"

Slappy: "That guy down in scouting, you know, he's been here forever..."

 

[bob2the2nd]

I'm sure he was instrumental in picking.... JT over AP... or something.

as a oklahoma fan for pretty much that entire season I was dead set on the browns needing AD. I knew he would be dynamic, he would give them an amazing rushing game, and he would elevate the offense, and help the browns could win some games. One of the absolute few players I have absolutely nailed dead set making the jump from college to the pros.

2 weeks before the draft decided JT would be the better pick because he would have a longer career.... looking back I take JT 10 out of 10 times, but if AD was the fall back option, i would have been okay with that

 

[A Squared]

as a oklahoma fan for pretty much that entire season I was dead set on the browns needing AD. I knew he would be dynamic, he would give them an amazing rushing game, and he would elevate the offense, and help the browns could win some games. One of the absolute few players I have absolutely nailed dead set making the jump from college to the pros.

2 weeks before the draft decided JT would be the better pick because he would have a longer career.... looking back I take JT 10 out of 10 times, but if AD was the fall back option, i would have been okay with that

You know you drafted great when your fall back option is a future first ballot hall of famer and potential GOAT.

 

[MDLT]

Kind of a silly argument - just because a guy was the senior scout doesn't mean he agreed with all the picks since his time with the Browns - guys like Savage, Heckert, and Banner are the ones making the picks at the end of the day, for better or worse. Each regime has their own views and priorities.

 

[Soda]

Kind of a silly argument - just because a guy was the senior scout doesn't mean he agreed with all the picks since his time with the Browns - guys like Savage, Heckert, and Banner are the ones making the picks at the end of the day, for better or worse. Each regime has their own views and priorities.

True. I just won't lose sleep over it. I also don't see it as a tee box of Lombardi criticism.

 

[Beyond the Arc]

Tweet recap of Lombardi interview on the draft on Kiley and Booms:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lombardi tells @<a href="https://twitter.com/kileybooms">kileybooms</a> analysts always instantly analyse draft; when u build team can't do it; have to look thru larger lens</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/329577703214813184">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lombardi on why no QB - everything about value; not about filling out depth chart; your building a team not collecting talent <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Browns">#Browns</a></p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/329578112327221248">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lombardi on 2 trades: we collected 2 assets for next years draft; can't be short sighted; 49ers, Ravens &amp; Eagles have done it b4 <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Browns">#Browns</a></p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/329578393630830592">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Chuck Booms is confused as to why the Browns didn't draft every player whom they invited to a workout.</p>&mdash; Scott @ WFNY (@WFNYScott) <a href="https://twitter.com/WFNYScott/status/329578865989136384">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lombardi says trades were more valuable in his mind than picking a player in 4th &amp; 5th rd; like cap room use wisely don't use b/c u have it</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/329578875157880832">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lombardi asked about not drafting guys they brought in 4 visit "u're assuming we liked them; not college football we're not recruiting them"</p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/329579380923846656">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Mike Lombardi said to grade draft have to step back. An A draft become a D ,a D can become an A. @<a href="https://twitter.com/kileybooms">kileybooms</a>@<a href="https://twitter.com/923thefan">923thefan</a></p>&mdash; john telich (@JohnTelich8) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnTelich8/status/329579398586040322">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lombardi "I feel really good about the players we selected; and the players we signed" <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Browns">#Browns</a></p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/329579892960280577">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Lombardi - "Just because the draft is over doesn't mean you're going to stop helping your team" <a href="https://twitter.com/search/%23Browns">#Browns</a></p>&mdash; Daryl Ruiter (@RuiterWrongFAN) <a href="https://twitter.com/RuiterWrongFAN/status/329580025663873024">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I’m rapidly becoming a big Michael Lombardi fan.</p>&mdash; Joe Lull (@LullOnSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/LullOnSports/status/329580128378179584">May 1, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[Prime 1978]

I'm with Joe Lull on this one. I loved how Lombardi put those guys in their place. Booms has been on this rant about not drafting players that visited with the Browns. Just because they visited doesn't mean they liked them, hell they could have been doing their due dilligence to make confirm the reasons they didn't like the player. I thought Mike did a great job of putting both of them in their place on several subjects. I thought he skated around the Brandon Weeden comments but other than that he came off strong in answering the questions posed.

I loved when he told them that you don't bring in players just to fill out a depth chart, they're building a team. And just because the draft is over, doesn't mean you are done adding talent to your team. Kiley tried to make a smart comment along the lines of but the draft helps. Funny thing is they act as if they didn't get anything for the picks they traded away. They'll love talking about how the Browns have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds next year.

 

[Soda]

They'll love talking about how the Browns have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds next year.

Exactly. Trading for next year's picks just doesn't appease the average fan because they want things NOW. This is just how it is with our society becoming more of a live-reported thing.

I, too, like how Lombardi looks at the draft. Real business-like. He at least sounds sure of himself.

If you listened to WKNR, you learned that the Browns like Mingo a lot and that Lombardi laughs sometimes before answering questions.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

I just love that it's been five days and hosts/callers are still all like "ZOMG WE TRADED WITH STEELERS!!!1!!1!!11!"

It was a fourth round pick, for the love of God. These guys are all acting like Shamarko Thomas is Ronnie Lott reincarnate. He's a little chode with a history of concussions.

 

[NorthCoastBias]

*Tony Grossi rips Mingo pick for 10 minutes*

"Don't get me wrong, I'm not ripping Mingo"

He's acting like Mingo weighs 150 pounds and says he can just picture Roethlisberger "flicking Mingo off of him like a bug." Christ almighty.

 

[jlegg21]

Liking the tone of what NFL.com posted today...

By Marc Sessler
Around the League Writer
Published: May 1, 2013 at 12:05 p.m. Updated: May 1, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
The 2013 NFL Draft transformed 32 NFL rosters. Around The League will examine the aftershocks in our Draft Fallout series. Next up: The Cleveland Browns.

The Big Question: Have the Browns assembled a scary front seven?

Cleveland Browns CEO Joe Banner intimated post-draft that coach Rob Chudzinski was hired partly because of his philosophy of attacking the opponent. This year's Browns are being molded to go after teams on offense with a vertical passing game and, on defense, with a new cast of pass rushers hired to disrupt the enemy.

Cleveland's draft haul generated some curiosity, but there's little mystery to what the Browns did at No. 6. Selecting LSU's Barkevious Mingo to pair across from free-agent addition Paul Kruger gives Cleveland an intriguing pair of edge rushers in Ray Horton's 3-4 scheme. Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco have pranced around unhindered for years in the AFC North, but the Browns under Banner and general manager Mike Lombardi have put together an intimidating front seven.

"On defense, we felt it was clear to identify what talent was out there, what talent we had, match it up with the philosophy we've been talking about and make some moves that will make the team better," said Banner, who also shopped fourth- and fifth-round picks for a third and fourth rounder in 2014.

Next year's draft class is widely expected to be a talent-packed bunch, and the Browns -- a team under construction -- are very much looking toward the horizon.

Three Takeaways

1. Banner said he couldn't pass up trading that fourth-rounder -- No. 111 -- for Pittsburgh's third next April (the first swap between the teams since 1968). "I prefer to trade within the division. You don't make a trade that you don't think you're winning," said Banner, with a dose of moxie utterly foreign to Browns fans.

2. Cleveland won little praise for adding defensive end Armonty Bryant and offensive tackle Garrett Gilkey in Round 7. We'll find out down the line if this pair of Div. II prospects amount to much, but check the tape: Bryant's dislike for quarterbacks and Gilkey's obsession with mauling human life forms obviously caught Cleveland's eye.

3. Besides serving as a vote of confidence for quarterback Brandon Weeden, this year's haul includes, in theory, supplemental pick Josh Gordon and slot receiver Davone Bess. Bess, acquired from the Miami Dolphins, has ranked second in the NFL in third-down receptions over the past five seasons and gives this young offense a reliable veteran presence.

Follow Marc Sessler on Twitter @MarcSesslerNFL.

 

[JMcCurry08]

Take Grossi, Hammer and Booms and throw them out this town please

 

[kriegs]

Replace all Cleveland sports reporters with clones of Joe Lull

 

[TwoPistols]

Read this interesting article from Yahoo on Geno Smith and wanted to share it. He's really an idiot if this is true and I'm very glad the Jets took him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--g...s-shed-light-on-why-qb-dropped-183846651.html

Less than a week after the New York Jets picked Geno Smith in the second round of the NFL draft, the quarterback is still under great scrutiny in league circles.

Reports surfaced Tuesday that Smith fired agents Jeff Nalley and Eric Burkhardt of Select Sports Group. While Smith has publicly denied that it had anything to do with his falling out of the draft's first round last week, there are indications to the contrary.

Geno Smith speaks during the Jets' introductory news conference Saturday. (AP)On April 23, Smith, his agents, some family members and several friends gathered for dinner in New York in advance of the draft, a gathering confirmed by a family member. At one point, everyone around the table stood to give a toast to celebrate the evening.

Smith went last, thanking everyone and declaring that entire group – his agents included – were a "family" that would stay together his entire career, if not the rest of his life, the sources said. Smith, who at one point was expecting to be the No. 1 overall pick and at least a top 10 selection, has big plans for his career. Smith, according to the sources, hopes to emulate players such as Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, putting himself cut above the rest of the quarterback fray.

The problem is that NFL types see a guy who, right now, doesn't understand how to get there.

"His biggest problem is that he doesn't know what he doesn't know," said a league executive, who spent extensive time assessing Smith before the draft. "I'm not sure he knows how to take instruction because he pretty much wouldn't listen or talk to our coaches … he's talented. He can sling it, he can fit it into tight spots, he can do a lot of things and I think he wants to be good. But you can't tell him anything right now. He's tuned out because he thinks he's got it all down."

When Smith was asked on a radio show Tuesday about firing his agents, he claimed the decision wasn't based on when he was drafted. When pressed, however, he didn't give a reason.

"I don't want to shed too much light on it," Smith told SiriusXM NFL Radio. "The thing that I can tell you is that it's not because of the whole draft experience. It's not because of one particular incident. There's a number of things. And that story, you know, that battle will be fought on a different day. As of right now I don't feel too comfortable talking about all the details of it."

Smith did not respond to Yahoo! Sports' attempt to get a comment on the situation.

As for Select Sports, the firm issued a statement defending its work and wishing Smith well.

"We worked tirelessly for Geno Smith and all of our draft prospects," the firm said in its statement. "The NFL draft is unpredictable, and we prepared Geno and all of our draft prospects, as we do every year, about what can happen during the draft.

"Not only did we tell him that what transpired on the first day of the draft was possible, the question of whether Geno would be a first- or second-round pick was arguably the most talked about subject in the three months leading up to the draft. We wish Geno the best."

One possible factor in Smith dropping to the second round is a concern about leadership.

"He doesn't have much presence, not much of a leader," said another league executive, who spent a great deal of time studying Smith before the draft. "I don't think he's a bad person, but that's not enough to be a quarterback in this league."

Two sources indicated that when Smith went on some visits to teams, rather than interact with coaches and front-office people, he would spend much of his time on his cell phone. Instead of being engaged with team officials, he would be texting friends or reading Twitter or a number of other distracting activities.

"All these other players who were in there were talking to the coaches, trying to get to know people and he was over there by himself," one of the sources said. "That's not what you want out of your quarterback."

Both sources indicated that Florida State's E.J. Manuel, who was selected ahead of Smith at No. 16 overall by Buffalo, was far more impressive in terms of his personality and maturity.

Geno Smith threw for 4,205 yards for West Virginia last season. (Getty) "Manuel gets it, he gets the whole big picture of what it takes to lead a team," one of the league executives said.

Smith opened himself up to criticism when he told ESPN last Thursday that he wasn't sticking around for Friday's second round after getting bypassed in the first. Smith then changed his mind, saying Friday that he returned after his "supporters" convinced him to stay.

By Sunday, Smith was being convinced by other friends that it was the fault of his agents that he slipped so much in the draft, according to one of the sources.

"Right now, he's blaming everybody but himself and he has some buddies around him who are telling him that same thing," the source said.

Two of the sources said how Smith reacts to things could be a major factor for him as he tries to take over for Mark Sanchez in New York. The Jets clearly want to move on after four years with Sanchez, including a league-leading 52 turnovers over the past two seasons.