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I might be able to get behind a deal that looks like this, though it is pure speculation obviously...
Crafting a three-team trade to bring Cespedes to Cleveland
A three-team trade between Cleveland, Boston, and Washington could work for all parties involved
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By Jim Piascik
December 2, 2014
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There has been no shortage of speculation this offseason on the availability of Boston Red Sox outfielder Yoenis Cespedes, both in the national media and on this site. But as of right now, it does not appear Cleveland and Boston line up as trade partners. The Red Sox are looking for star-level front-of-the-rotation starting pitching, the kind Cleveland does not have available to give up.

The thing is, though, that no contender that needs Cespedes has that to spare. That is what led to Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron (while writing for Just a Bit Outside) proposing a three-team trade involving the Washington Nationals and the Seattle Mariners.

Given Washington’s need for help at second base and Seattle’s middle infield depth, Cameron crafts a three-team trade that looks like this:

Seattle gets:

  • OF Yoenis Cespedes (from Boston)
  • 1B Mike Napoli (from Boston)
Washington gets:

Boston gets:

But while Cameron looks for a team with middle infield depth and arrives at Seattle, the readers of this site will likely come up with a different conclusion.

A certain team that plays at the corner of Carnegie and Ontario.

Crafting a three-team trade
So what would it take to switch up this trade to include Cleveland instead of Seattle?

We know a few things would stay the same, with Cespedes going to Cleveland instead and Zimmermann still making his way to Boston. But since Cleveland has no need for another first base/designated hitter type due to the combination of Carlos Santana, Nick Swisher, Jesus Aguilar, and the displaced-by-Cespedes David Murphy, we will leave Napoli out of this three-team trade and let the Red Sox deal him (or someone else) later.

Not acquiring Napoli means Cleveland would not have to give up quite as much as Seattle, but the organization will still need to send a second baseman to Washington (funnily enough, to replace the last one it sent in Asdrubal Cabrera). Given Washington could see its shortstop, Ian Desmond, walk after the 2015 season, sending someone who could potentially shift over to shortstop in a year would have some added value.

Enter Jose Ramirez.

The Nationals are definitely looking to win now, meaning they are not likely to settle for an unproven player like Erik Gonzalez who has not seen major league time. And while Francisco Lindor would definitely work, there is no way Cleveland is giving him up for one year of Cespedes.

Ramirez, however, is someone who has not only put up some nice numbers at the major league level, but also has the flexibility to play second base in 2015 and slide over to shortstop if needed beyond that. The 22-year-old’s best fit is likely at second base, but after seeing him handle shortstop just fine post-Cabrera in 2014, Ramirez’s stock seems to have risen.

Giving up someone young and talented like Ramirez hurts, but you have to trade something to get something. If Cleveland wants someone good like Cespedes, it will cost them someone good. Ramirez fits the Nationals’ needs and could be the player that gets the deal done.

Of course, these three players all do not have equal value. In order to keep balancing the scales, a few more pieces need to be involved.

Even though Zimmermann and Cespedes only have one year of team control left, those are still the two best present-day players in the deal. Since all three teams in this deal are looking to win-now, that leaves Cleveland needing to kick in a few more pieces to even things out.

In Cameron’s three-team trade involving the Mariners, he has a reliever heading to Boston. Luckily for Cleveland, the organization has plenty of relief depth that could make a trade work. Whether it is a power left-hander like Nick Hagadone (drafted by the Red Sox in the first round in 2007), an unproven right-hander with six years of team control left like Bryan Price (drafted by the Red Sox in the first round in 2008), or a more expensive, more proven right-hander like Bryan Shaw, Cleveland has the pieces to make it work.

While trading a pitcher like Shaw would hurt Cleveland’s bullpen in the late innings, the easiest place to upgrade is in the bullpen. Given Cleveland’s combination of bullpen depth and the availability of relatively-cheap relievers on the free agent and trade market, adding a reliever to the trade could be worth it to make things line up.

This still does not make everything equal, however, since the Nationals are giving up the best player in the deal and only getting Ramirez back. Knowing the Nationals are set up pretty well at all positions, acquiring a few prospects to round out the package makes sense.

With center fielder Denard Span and right-hander Doug Fister heading toward free agency (and Zimmermann heading out in this hypothetical trade), having an outfield prospect and a starting pitching prospect coming back could make Washington comfortable losing Zimmermann.

There are plenty of different prospects that could head on in this scenario, but one possibility is Cleveland sending center fielder Tyler Naquin and Boston sending left-hander Brian Johnson to the Nationals.

In this scenario, Washington takes a small step back in 2015 in return for a new second baseman in Ramirez with six years of team control (and insurance for Desmond potentially leaving), a potential replacement for Span in Naquin, and starting pitching depth in Johnson.

Finally, with Cleveland giving up a lot of team control in Ramirez, Naquin, and a reliever, only getting one year of Cespedes back does not quite line up. Boston is also getting the best player in the deal in addition to a reliever from Cleveland, while only giving up one year of Cespedes and one prospect in Johnson.

So to round out the trade, having Boston send a player with years of team control Cleveland’s way should finish things off.

Boston could send a prospect, but for this trade, what about Will Middlebrooks?

While Middlebrooks has struggled lately, he still has four years of team control left, is going to be fairly cheap in arbitration for 2015, is still only 26 years old, and would offer Cleveland a strong right-handed power option that can play third base. His struggles of late are worrisome -- and Cleveland could easily opt to go in a different direction -- but Middlebrooks would make an interesting platoon player to fit with Lonnie Chisenhall.

What a possible trade would look like
So here is what we have established as a possible trade:

Cleveland gets:

  • OF Yoenis Cespedes (from Boston)
  • 3B Will Middlebrooks (from Boston)
Boston gets:

  • RHP Jordan Zimmermann (from Washington)
  • LHP Nick Hagadone -- or a different reliever (from Cleveland)
Washington gets:

  • 2B/SS Jose Ramirez (from Cleveland)
  • OF Tyler Naquin (from Cleveland)
  • LHP Brian Johnson (from Boston)
The supporting pieces around this trade can move around as needed and are not set in stone. But the three key pillars of Zimmermann, Cespedes, and Ramirez all make sense. Cleveland spends roughly $8 million to bring in two right-handed hitting options that fit in the organization’s payroll structure, Boston gets the front-of-the-line pitching it sorely lacks right now, and Washington gets some financial flexibility and builds in some backup options for their upcoming free agents.

Each team is dealing from a position of depth and receiving someone at a position of weakness; that is a good place to start.

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Middlebrooks? Woof.

I don't understand why Cleveland, who places so much value on patience and on-base percentage, would have any interest in either of those two players.
 
A few pitchers were non-tendered that could be this years Mickey Callaway reclamation project...Alexi Ogando and the 2 time TJ guys Medlen and Beachy.
 
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A few pitchers were non-tendered that could be this years Mickey Callaway reclamation project...Alexi Ogando and the 2 time TJ guys Medlen and Beachy.

Was going to make a post about Ogando as well.

He'll be highly sought after, IMO.

Doesn't throw as hard as he used to, but this team would be a great fit for him and he could take over that 6th/7th inning role that so desperately needs filled.

Another guy who was non-tendered is Daniel Descalso from St. Louis. Hit .315 after the break last season and played all four infield spots.

Could be an interesting addition for bench depth, but with the team resigning Aviles I'm not sure that will be a possibility.
 
Left-handed bats man...
 
Wonder what he would cost?
 
Moss' second half makes Chisenhall look Ruthian
 
Moss' second half makes Chisenhall look Ruthian

Heard he had a hip injury that has since been fixed.

His BABIP for the second half was like .248 which is well below his career .299. Even in his hot first-half his BABIP was only .301.

I realize BABIP isn't perfect and small samples and all that - but it certainly seemed out of the norm for him, no?
 
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The hip is a concern, he's SUPPOSED to be healthy for the start of spring.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad addition. So long as they can get rid of Murphy.
 
Give them Swisher back. :chuckle:

Someone who is more in tune to this stuff than I am, are there any right handed bats that would be feasible options? Would Moss help this team out? Realistically what would it cost to get him? I haven't seen him play much at all.
 
I want Moss as his power from the left side would be very nice in Progressive Field as Right Field is very easy to hit home runs too
 
Give them Swisher back. :chuckle:

Someone who is more in tune to this stuff than I am, are there any right handed bats that would be feasible options? Would Moss help this team out? Realistically what would it cost to get him? I haven't seen him play much at all.

Moss is a pretty good add, IMO. Provided they believe he's healthy.

Putting him behind a high OBP guy in Santana forces the defense to modify their shift against him. Even with the brutal second half he was still a 119 OPS+ and had been 162/136 in the previous two seasons.

Can play a decent enough right field, but once again this is health dependent.

Heading into his 30s so the numbers may stagnate a bit, but he's under team control for three seasons and probably wouldn't come at too high a price tag.

I stopped guessing what Beane will want in a trade, most likely some obscure prospects that turn out to be pretty damn good.
 

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