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2015 Cleveland Browns Training Camp Thread

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He ran a shitty 40 time for a tight end, 4.8 at only 6'2, but it would be a perfectly fine time for a fullback. Before the combine several scouts had him in the top 10 of tight end prospects. He was All Big 12 at tight end. If Malcolm Johnson's shoulder is an issue, I could see Bibbs stepping right into that role.

I think you're on the right track with this line of thinking. I feel like the Browns want a FB/TE guy to go and earn the role. The only thing that is keeping me from agreeing fully is because I was reading this tweet today.. Why wouldn't Bibbs be in if he were the next man up?

 
View: https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/629005701290061824


The Browns' home facility in suburban Berea, Ohio, about two turns from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport. This place opened when Bill Belichick was coaching here and withstood the move to Baltimore in 1995 and the reanimation of the franchise in 1999. This might be the last full camp here for a while, as the team continues to negotiate to move at least a large part of camp to the state capital, two-and-a-half hours away by car in Columbus.

Observations
1) Mike Pettine's first year as head coach was a mixed bag, and he's not afraid to admit now, heading into his second season, that he had a lot to learn. "We made sure afterward we brainstormed and took extensive notes, 'What would we do different next time?' " he told me. "You just feel so much more comfortable. It's like anything else; you go through it once, you get a dry run, and I'm fortunate enough now to be here for Year 2, and it's like the old cliché, 'Answers to the test.' " Here's one change: The amount of time Pettine spent with the defense last year is being devoted to the offense this year. That means meetings, film work, practice time and, eventually, game-planning sessions. The coach decided that he, defensive coordinator Jim O'Neil and much of the staff on that side have been together so long that it was almost redundant for him to invest all that time with them, and so he'll be working closely with new offensive coordinator John DeFilippo in the coming months. It's been refreshing for Pettine, the former high-school quarterback who last worked extensively on offense while coaching at North Penn High over a decade ago.

2) The Browns' bet this year is that they'll get the 2013 version of Josh McCown (109.0 passer rating in eight games with the Bears) rather than the 2014 edition (1-10 record as a starter for the Buccaneers). The belief is that McCown was a victim of circumstance in Tampa (working with an unsightly offensive line and a coaching staff that had undergone summer upheaval) as much as anything else. The early returns have been good. Maybe the most valuable feedback the coaches have gotten has come from the defensive players, who have raved not just about his knowledge of the game (McCown coached two seasons of high school ball recently, so that's unquestioned), but about what he's bringing physically. "The first two days, Josh lit us up," said veteran safety Donte Whitner. "Before he got here, I didn't know he could do these things. He can really spin the football." And yes, McCown is 36 years old. But Pettine gave me a pretty awesome analogy on that. "He's so young if you look at his game logs," Pettine said. "That's why I made the joke the other day. He's like that car that has low mileage, kept in the garage and driven to church on Sundays by a little old lady. He's got a lot left."




3) The formula here is going to be pretty simple: The Browns have to win on defense and with their run game. And that means running the ball, with rookie Duke Johnson likely to carry a heavy load (hence the caution in bringing him back from a hamstring injury), and stopping the run more effectively, which was a big reason for Danny Shelton's selection with the team's top draft pick this year. Boring? Well, this camp certainly isn't what it was last year. But in a lot of ways, it is reflective of what the Browns are looking to be. "It's quieter for sure," Pettine said. "That's the way our guys are, they're serious about their business, they go out to get better, I don't think there's a lot of flash to this team. But that's how we're gonna win. We're gonna wear people down, and I think we're gonna be better on offense than people give us credit for when it's all said and done. And we're hopeful that our defense and our special teams are the cornerstone of what we do. I feel good about it."

New additions
Tramon Williams, CB: The former Packer has turned heads, giving the team a lot of the flexibility it feared it might lose at corner when Buster Skrine bolted for the Jets. His calm veteran presence has been good for a young group led by top-shelf cover man Joe Haden.

Duke Johnson, RB: The hamstring issue is troubling, since it followed him from Miami and into the pre-draft process. But (as we mentioned above) what he's flashed so far is a big reason for the coaches to play it safe with a back they plan on playing plenty. In particular, Johnson has adapted to the passing game faster than most rookies at his position do, a sign he could be a three-down player right away.

Overheard
"I can really only speak for when he's here. There's no news out of the building, which is obviously a good thing. I sit in on it, since I'm on the offense now, I sit in on a lot of those meetings, whether it's the install or the quarterback meetings with (quarterback coach) Kevin O'Connell and Flip. He's engaged, he bangs out the answers, he knows it, it's important to him. We got a little mad at him, because he got upset at practice the other day, was frustrated, threw a ball down. But the positive of that is, 'Hey, he cares.' This is a guy who's competitive and wants to be successful and is upset when things aren't done right. We feel good about where he is. But given his circumstances -- and that was recent -- no rush to push him back out there. If it takes a year for him to learn under Josh, then so be it."

-- Mike Pettine on QB Johnny Manziel.

"Johnny's a totally different guy than he was last year. He's 100 percent strictly football right now. He's working his best to be a pocket, prototype quarterback back there. He's been doing a pretty good job. Again, I just can't wait to see what he does in the scrimmage on Friday up in Columbus, and then going into the preseason games, to see what he can do up there."

-- Donte Whitner on Manziel.




Extra points
» The Browns still have the hole left by suspended receiver Josh Gordon, but they hope to make up for it with balance at the position. They're excited about how their speed guys have progressed. Taylor Gabriel may be the one to watch here -- he's a legit 4.3 player who has impressed coaches with keen attention to detail this offseason.

» Speaking of under-the-radar second-year guys, corner K'Waun Williams looks ready to take a step forward. He got a ton of experience last year playing in the slot, and he looks different physically coming into 2015, following his first full offseason as a pro.

» Maybe the most improvement here will be in the guts of the roster. The key for general manager Ray Farmer has been drafting beyond the first round, with much expected from guys like offensive lineman Joel Bitonio (second round), linebacker Christian Kirksey (third round) and corner Pierre Desir (fourth round) from the 2014 class, along with the 12-man class this year.
 
Anyone know what time the scrimmage in The Shoe starts on Friday and if it will be televised?



I think NFL Network is doing their camp day that day, so it should be on NFL Network.


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That is correct!
 
Yes!

Really hope Pryor's injury won't keep him from playing/going.
 
Maybe the whole TP "tweaking his hamstring", is a way to keep him away from OSU? Think about all the negative publicity there will be when he shows up.

This sounds to me like the move they pulled on Lattimer in the movie "The Program". Im not buying the Browns B.S., here!
 
So to summarize the Breer article Phills14 posted:

1. The offense was a mess and now it's Pettine's focus. McCown should hold it down this season, the strength of the offense should be the line and running game wearing teams down.

2. Oh, by the way Danny Shelton is going to change the run defense for the better. That's why the draft didn't address the anemic pass game.

3. A bunch of questions about the backup quarterback with bland answers from important people.

4. Now we get away from the first round pick blunders to talk about mid-round and undrafted rookies from 2014, which should make you forget all about that backup quarterback.
 
The passing offense went down when the running game went down which all coinided with the center going down. Drafting a top tier lineman probably did more for the passing offense than some shiny receiver that makes the team look better on paper.
 
The passing offense went down when the running game went down which all coinided with the center going down. Drafting a top tier lineman probably did more for the passing offense than some shiny receiver that makes the team look better on paper.

Totally agree, I was just summarizing the message from Breer. McDonald faced delayed blitz after delayed blitz right up the gut. It's pretty obvious the front office saw exactly what we discussed last season. I do wonder how they will approach this issue at the start of the preseason. Will Erving start at guard? Will Mack move to guard? Does Greco start and Erving rotates in as the year goes on? Depth isn't a bad thing, I'm just curious how they handle it.
 
Maybe the whole TP "tweaking his hamstring", is a way to keep him away from OSU? Think about all the negative publicity there will be when he shows up.
He'd be cheered for by over 100,000 fans, just like Tressel was.
 
Totally agree, I was just summarizing the message from Breer. McDonald faced delayed blitz after delayed blitz right up the gut. It's pretty obvious the front office saw exactly what we discussed last season. I do wonder how they will approach this issue at the start of the preseason. Will Erving start at guard? Will Mack move to guard? Does Greco start and Erving rotates in as the year goes on? Depth isn't a bad thing, I'm just curious how they handle it.
The media scouts havent really been talking about the line or their performances outside of issues picking up shelton
 
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He'd be cheered for by over 100,000 fans, just like Tressel was.


I will be super impressed if 100,000 people show up to watch this team scrimmage.
 
To be fair, Buckeye fans should praise Pryor. He was fun while he was there and his debacle led to the firing of Tressel and the hiring of Meyer. That led to one undefeated season, a close finish, and a national championship that many say was a "year early".
 

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