I really think that Goff/Lynch are franchise type QB's, whereas Cook is a clear 2nd tier.
If Goff/Lynch stay, this draft will be a shitshow.
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I really think that Goff/Lynch are franchise type QB's, whereas Cook is a clear 2nd tier.
If Goff/Lynch stay, this draft will be a shitshow.
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Psyched that Navy is up at the half, but teams seem to do better against option teams in the second half.
I wouldn't pretend to judge Lynch fairly after seeing only one half of one of his games, but here's what I've seen so far:
Big guy, fairly mobile for his size but not what you'd consider aa significant running threat. Able to throw fairly well on the move outside the pocket, which is a plus. Good pocket awareness.
Plays exclusively out of the shotgun in a spread offense. Primarily a one-read attack, though not exclusively. So there's the whole "transition" issue.
Strong arm, but did not impress as really accurate - at least not this game. Didn't show strength at reading defenses or going through progressions.
It's obviously a small sample size, and he may indeed be the best guy in the class. But he doesn't seem to be the kind of true franchise, more likely hit than miss guy you'd like to see at the top of the draft. You'd like to think the best QB in College would be able to pick apart a defense like Navy's - which doesn't have top tier athleticism in the defensive backfield.
I wouldn't pretend to judge Lynch fairly after seeing only one half of one of his games, but here's what I've seen so far:
Big guy, fairly mobile for his size but not what you'd consider aa significant running threat. Able to throw fairly well on the move outside the pocket, which is a plus. Good pocket awareness.
Plays exclusively out of the shotgun in a spread offense. Primarily a one-read attack, though not exclusively. So there's the whole "transition" issue.
Strong arm, but did not impress as really accurate - at least not this game. Didn't show strength at reading defenses or going through progressions.
It's obviously a small sample size, and he may indeed be the best guy in the class. But he doesn't seem to be the kind of true franchise, more likely hit than miss guy you'd like to see at the top of the draft. You'd like to think the best QB in College would be able to pick apart a defense like Navy's - which doesn't have top tier athleticism in the defensive backfield.
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Navy now crushing Memphis 38-20 about halfway through 4th, Navy driving. Lynch is 22-38, with 1 td and one pick. His numbers may get a boost late if Navy softens the defense, but he's been pretty pedestrian.
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Folks are saying this was Lynch's worst game, which may well be true given that it's the only game of his I've seen. But from what I've been reading about him, the game was a pretty good indicator of his overall strengths and weaknesses.
To me, there are two basic types of pro-prospect QB's. The first type are the guys who tear it up in college, and the concern only is whether or not their game will "transition" to the NFL. That could be the pro-system guy like Luck, or the spread guy like Couch or even (arguably) Manziel, whose college success really can't be questioned.
The second type are the guys who still have holes in their college game, so they must not only transition their game to the NFL, but also develop/improve upon specific skills that were demonstrably lacking. You could still be a good prospect like Carr, for whom the concern was not performing well when the pocket is pressured. To me, Lynch falls into that second category.
Physically, I'd grant him that his relative lack of accuracy against Navy -- he missed some pretty open guys by quite a bit -- was an anomaly. That seems to be the consensus anyway. So his size, mobility for that size, arm, and accuracy are all pluses. And I saw really good pocket awareness, and he didn't panic under pressure.
But it's the other mental stuff I'd question. He really did look primarily like a one-read guy, and when he was going through progressions, he looked like he did so slowly. The "tell" here is that Navy runs a pretty swarming 3-4 defense, and plays a lot of zone. That seemed to confuse him a bit, and probably was what threw him off his game in terms of accuracy. That's a concern because Navy is generally not home to the most talented athletes in Division 1. Most people expected him to pick them apart, so him seeming somewhat confused/befuddled was a bit of a red flag.
Related to/amplifying that problem is a relatively long, slow delivery. If a guy has difficulty reading defenses and going through progressions, then a slow delivery just exacerbates the problem because it further reduces the time the QB has to make a decision. That's definitely an issue for Lynch right now.
He's probably a guy who could use another year of college ball to improve on that stuff before he faces even more complicated, and faster, defenses in the NFL. But he's probably coming out anyway.
Maybe that game will be a learning experience, and he'll demonstrate some improvement against a good opponent later this year. But I imagine that the interviews, etc., are going to be a pretty important factor when it comes to exactly where he gets drafted.
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This is so reactionary that I am calling myself out, but if we get Goff, I'd like to take a hard look at Chicago OC Gase.
Cutler looks good now. Obviously Manning looked good under him too.
The Chargers have a bad D w injuries, but Cutler is making pre and post snap reads, and they didn't have Forte.
Cutler looks good now. Obviously Manning looked good under him too.
The Chargers have a bad D w injuries, but Cutler is making pre and post snap reads, and they didn't have Forte.
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He couldn't catch even before hand. 13 drops final year at Wash St.
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Just had a friend tell me the only way he'd even consider drafting one of the top tier QBs is if Manziel proves he is a failure by the end of the year.
And even then, he still hasn't heard as much about Goff/Lynch at this point in the year as he had with Mariota/Winston and therefore they must suck...
Oh, and he'd also only maybe draft one if we can't trade for Stafford.
Remind me again why 92.3 has ratings? Oh yeah, that's right.
And even then, he still hasn't heard as much about Goff/Lynch at this point in the year as he had with Mariota/Winston and therefore they must suck...
Oh, and he'd also only maybe draft one if we can't trade for Stafford.
Remind me again why 92.3 has ratings? Oh yeah, that's right.