2016 Presidential Race AND POLL

[spydy13]

It's a remarkably offensive thing to say.

I'm not sure what you mean by "I haven't seen anyone honestly offended about it."

He literally goes on to say that a Muslim politician, who adheres to Islam, should not be President. That is bigoted and ignorant.

p.s.
I'm not sure how it's a shot at Obama?

1000x this.

The reason people aren't making a big deal about it is because he's not on Trump's level yet. If he does then they'll be bringing this and the shit he said about gay marriage up plenty.

Frankly this kind of stuff is why people think a highly accomplished Doctor is on the same level intellectually as mr shucky ducky.

 

[pr26]

Not that I really want to get into it, but I think that is why he said it. For the reason that a Muslim would go against our constitution because of their religious beliefs, inferring they hold that above the constitution. I know Carson isn't a malicious guy and didn't mean it in a malicious way. I guess anybody can take it how they want. I heard him say beliefs should matter if they are inconsistent with the values of America, so that is why he said it. So he is actually promoting the Constitution.

If someone thinks he shouldn't be president because he has that viewpoint, go ahead I guess. I don't see anything wrong with it. He should be allowed an opinion too. That is all I'll say about it.

Promoting the constitution by stating that people of different religious beliefs than him would not be fit to serve as president? Any rational person who has read the constitution knows how much it emphasizes freedom of religion and freedom from religious persecution.

Again, any rational and reasonable person. Carson is no moron, dude is a neurosurgeon, so I'm going to have to take the comment as something bigoted and prejudiced unless he wants to clarify it further.

It blows my mind that we're still dealing with this kind of shit in a presidential election in the year 2015.

 

[gourimoko]

Not that I really want to get into it, but I think that is why he said it. For the reason that a Muslim would go against our constitution because of their religious beliefs, inferring they hold that above the constitution.

Not sure how Christianity or Judaism wouldn't do the same thing?

God before Country is generally considered normal, among most believers.

 

[Walter White]

Not sure how Christianity or Judaism wouldn't do the same thing?

God before Country is generally considered normal, among most believers.

Because the country was founded on christian values and leaders, which is his whole point. That is why his beliefs align with our constitutions and why he wouldn't advocate for a Muslim because they have different beliefs. I suppose the politically correct thing he should have said is that he doesn't care who is president as long as it aligns with our values. Which is what I believe he meant without it being spun in the media. I wouldn't be quick to call him names because of that. Of course anyone who doesn't want him to win will try to use that against him.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Because the country was founded on christian values and leaders, which is his whole point.

And those so-called Christians were pretty specific when they wrote the Constitution that they weren't establishing a Christian nation.

 

[Walter White]

This is straight from Ben Carson's facebook as of 23 minutes ago.

"The first issue I want to deal with tonight is the stories today about my comments yesterday when I was asked if I would support a hypothetical Muslim candidate for President. I responded “I would not advocate for that” and I went on to say that many parts of Sharia Law are not compatible with the Constitution. I was immediately attacked by some of my Republican peers and nearly every Democrat alive. Know this, I meant exactly what I said. I could never support a candidate for President of the United States that was Muslim and had not renounced the central tenant of Islam: Sharia Law.

Those Republicans that take issue with my position are amazing. Under Islamic Law, homosexuals – men and women alike – must be killed. Women must be subservient. And people following other religions must be killed.

I know that there are many peaceful Muslims who do not adhere to these beliefs. But until these tenants are fully renounced…I cannot advocate any Muslim candidate for President."


There you go. He explained himself and that was basically what I was trying to say, but I didn't say it as well. I don't know if you agree with that or not, but I hope that puts an end to it because it seems pointless to argue. I don't see how this could be argued at all.

 

[KI4MVP]

Because the country was founded on christian values and leaders, which is his whole point.

No, the country was founded on the fundamental principal of religious freedom

 

[gourimoko]

Because the country was founded on christian values and leaders, which is his whole point.

You know this isn't true right?

Most of the Founding Fathers were Deists and Humanists; only a minority of them were actually Christians.

That is why his beliefs align with our constitutions

Can you explain what this means? Christianity doesn't seem to at all align with the Constitution as far as I can tell.

and why he wouldn't advocate for a Muslim because they have different beliefs.

You understand Muslims read the the Old and New Testaments too, right? They hold the same basic tenants and beliefs? Judeo-Christian includes Islam, at least, in an academic sense, as it has generally referred to all Abrahamic religions.

I suppose the politically correct thing he should have said is that he doesn't care who is president as long as it aligns with our values. Which is what I believe he meant without it being spun in the media. I wouldn't be quick to call him names because of that. Of course anyone who doesn't want him to win will try to use that against him.

I'm not really worried about political correctness, just saneness and rationality.

You understand quite a few things you just said here aren't really rational or ground in facts?

p.s.
I'm really not trying to argue Walter, I'm honestly just a bit curious as to why you believe what you believe.

 

[gourimoko]

This is straight from Ben Carson's facebook as of 23 minutes ago.

"The first issue I want to deal with tonight is the stories today about my comments yesterday when I was asked if I would support a hypothetical Muslim candidate for President. I responded “I would not advocate for that” and I went on to say that many parts of Sharia Law are not compatible with the Constitution. I was immediately attacked by some of my Republican peers and nearly every Democrat alive. Know this, I meant exactly what I said. I could never support a candidate for President of the United States that was Muslim and had not renounced the central tenant of Islam: Sharia Law.

Those Republicans that take issue with my position are amazing. Under Islamic Law, homosexuals – men and women alike – must be killed. Women must be subservient. And people following other religions must be killed.

I know that there are many peaceful Muslims who do not adhere to these beliefs. But until these tenants are fully renounced…I cannot advocate any Muslim candidate for President."


There you go. He explained himself and that was basically what I was trying to say, but I didn't say it as well. I don't know if you agree with that or not, but I hope that puts an end to it because it seems pointless to argue. I don't see how this could be argued at all.

Because it's a ridiculous statement.

Do we ask the Republican candidates to "renounce the Bible?"

Let me quote the Holy Bible for Mr. Carson:

"Homosexuals must be killed"...
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

"Women must be subservient"...
"Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord." (Colassians 3:18)

"Kill followers of other religions"...
"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Ben Carson, a brilliant neurosurgeon, is ignorant when it comes to Islam let alone the Constitution. He has no understanding of either.

Why do you think Muslims who practice Sharia (violently) might believe such things? These aren't quotes from the Koran, they're quotes from the Bible; the same Bible all three religions adhere to.

Lastly Walter, adhering to Sharia does not mean putting people to death. It's like saying you can't be a devout Christian because you're not Amish or because you eat shellfish. It's ridiculous.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Do we ask the Republican candidates to "renounce the Bible?"

I wish.

 

[Walter White]

And those so-called Christians were pretty specific when they wrote the Constitution that they weren't establishing a Christian nation.

No, the country was founded on the fundamental principal of religious freedom

Can you explain what this means? Christianity doesn't seem to at all align with the Constitution as far as I can tell.

That isn't the point. I didn't say the Constitution was designed to force people to be Christian. No, everybody has the freedom to be whatever they want to be. I said the "values" like how the Ten Commandments says you shouldn't murder people for example. Or steal. Maybe that pertains more to laws but those still infringe on someone else's freedom. God is all about freedom. That is why free will exists in the first place. That is why evil exists in the first place.

And he just explained exactly what he meant on the post I posted above.

I'm not really worried about political correctness, just saneness and rationality.

You understand quite a few things you just said here aren't really rational or ground in facts?

It really bugs me that Christians are painted out to be irrational and stupid. But it's whatever. I just wouldn't be so quick to judge.

 

[Jack Brickman]

God is all about freedom.

Dude...have you ever actually read the Bible?

 

[Walter White]

Because it's a ridiculous statement.

Do we ask the Republican candidates to "renounce the Bible?"

Let me quote the Holy Bible for Mr. Carson:

"Homosexuals must be killed"...
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

"Women must be subservient"...
"Wives, be submissive to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord." (Colassians 3:18)

"Kill followers of other religions"...
"Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel." (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Ben Carson, a brilliant neurosurgeon, is ignorant when it comes to Islam let alone the Constitution. He has no understanding of either.

Why do you think Muslims who practice Sharia (violently) might believe such things? These aren't quotes from the Koran, they're quotes from the Bible; the same Bible all three religions adhere to.

Lastly Walter, adhering to Sharia does not mean putting people to death. It's like saying you can't be a devout Christian because you're not Amish or because you eat shellfish. It's ridiculous.

This is a whole separate issue that I don't want to get into here because it's purely religious (although I hate the term religious, how about spiritual?). Anyway, all the examples you used are Old Testament laws and things changed when Jesus died on the cross. Jesus fulfilled the law when he died on the cross. You've probably never heard the grace message much. I honestly don't think most Christians or churches really embrace it or understand it, but if you are more interested in that you can PM me.

And maybe your point is true. I don't know much about Islam but he clarified his mindset so I don't have anymore to say on it.

 

[gourimoko]

That isn't the point. I didn't say the Constitution was designed to force people to be Christian. No, everybody has the freedom to be whatever they want to be. I said the "values" like how the Ten Commandments says you shouldn't murder people for example. Or steal.

But those laws had been in place prior to that. You don't think the Egyptians had laws against murder, rape, and theft? Those aren't uniquely Christian values.

Maybe that pertains more to laws but those still infringe on someone else's freedom. God is all about freedom. That is why free will exists in the first place. That is why evil exists in the first place.

Right, but again, that hasn't really anything to do with Christianity.

And he just explained exactly what he meant on the post I posted above.

Right, and what he meant, in it's entirety, isn't in anyway less offensive.

It really bugs me that Christians are painted out to be irrational and stupid. But it's whatever. I just wouldn't be so quick to judge.

It bugs me too. I'm a Christian just like you. I have no intention whatsoever of painting religious Christians as irrational or stupid.

 

[Walter White]

Dude...have you ever actually read the Bible?

Nope. Never have.