2018-2019 Tank Thread

[Futuredome]

Gilbert will be in budget slashing mode soon enough. He went with emotions and that didn't work out, to no surprise.

 

[Kiddo]

Let's see where we're at after 20 games but it looks like a top 10 pick pretty easy. Can we somehow attach TT with Love in a trade? (too much salary) Also trade any other vets with value, this is looking like a 2-3 year rebuild. Get some picks back and hope your own pick lands an All Star. In 2 years you've created a load of cap space but will any super stars want to join a team of Sexton, Osman, 2019 top 3 pick, 2020 top 10 pick, Nance & Zizic.

 

[mhi]

Can't spear Nuclear without Lue!!

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I think it was more of Dan foolishly thinking people would buy tickets as long as Kevin Love was still on the team. The same Kevin Love that the casual fan is done with after coming here and never living up to their high expectations.

Dan also may have bought into the "Ty Lue is really a great coach who was being held back by LBJ" theory, when the truth may end up being "Ty Lue is an ultra-crappy coach who was being propped up by LBJ." If you are expecting the HC to be worth an extra 5-10 wins, and he's actually worth an extra -10 losses....

It could get really fucking ugly.

 

[Cassity14]

Dan also may have bought into the "Ty Lue is really a great coach who was being held back by LBJ" theory, when the truth may end up being "Ty Lue is an ultra-crappy coach who was being propped up by LBJ." If you are expecting the HC to be worth an extra 5-10 wins, and he's actually worth an extra -10 losses....

It could get really fucking ugly.

This.

Fire her up, boys! We're going to war!

 

[cavsfever]

I was watching Dallas-Chicago last night and it made me realize how far we have to go. IMO both Dallas or Chicago are bad teams and I don't think either will make the playoffs. But they both have way more talent than we do especially young talent. Dallas has Doncic, Dennis Smith, and DeAndre Jordan along with some decent older role players like Wes Matthews. Chicago has Zach Lavine, Kris Dunn, Wendell Carter, Jabari Parker, Lauri Markkanen, and maybe Bobby Portis if you think he's talented.

We've got Love, Sexton, Osman. Love is looking past his sell-by date and it's unclear how talented Sexton will be, if he reaches even Kris Dunn level. We look years away from having the talent base of Dallas or Chicago.

 

[Kouki]

Dallas and Chicago are years ahead of us in a rebuild (or "re-tooling" if you prefer) so that makes sense.

 

[Phil Mixtape]

I was watching Dallas-Chicago last night and it made me realize how far we have to go. IMO both Dallas or Chicago are bad teams and I don't think either will make the playoffs. But they both have way more talent than we do especially young talent. Dallas has Doncic, Dennis Smith, and DeAndre Jordan along with some decent older role players like Wes Matthews. Chicago has Zach Lavine, Kris Dunn, Wendell Carter, Jabari Parker, Lauri Markkanen, and maybe Bobby Portis if you think he's talented.

We've got Love, Sexton, Osman. Love is looking past his sell-by date and it's unclear how talented Sexton will be, if he reaches even Kris Dunn level. We look years away from having the talent base of Dallas or Chicago.

Not to mention that fact that watching either of those teams for 48 minutes doesn't make you want to jump into the tv and beat their head coach with a baseball bat.

 

[K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's]

I agree that tanking is overrated, unless you have a great front office and scouting department with solid vision tanking usually doesn’t end well, that said we don’t really have a choice so might as well tank & hope the front office doesn’t completely fuck up that pick.

 

[WorldFreeB]

I was watching Dallas-Chicago last night and it made me realize how far we have to go. IMO both Dallas or Chicago are bad teams and I don't think either will make the playoffs. But they both have way more talent than we do especially young talent. Dallas has Doncic, Dennis Smith, and DeAndre Jordan along with some decent older role players like Wes Matthews. Chicago has Zach Lavine, Kris Dunn, Wendell Carter, Jabari Parker, Lauri Markkanen, and maybe Bobby Portis if you think he's talented.

We've got Love, Sexton, Osman. Love is looking past his sell-by date and it's unclear how talented Sexton will be, if he reaches even Kris Dunn level. We look years away from having the talent base of Dallas or Chicago.

What about Nance Jr? We just gave him 4/45,,,would he be considered a building block type player? I ask because I'm not really sure myself.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

What about Nance Jr? We just gave him 4/45,,,would he be considered a building block type player? I ask because I'm not really sure myself.

Dwight Powell at 9M a year is a better player quite honestly. He is a year older though. I had him and Nance as a straight comparison for what we should offer him. Powell got that contract right after the cap explosion, but is well worth his contract now. I expect a very, very good season out of him.

I think we overpaid for Nance, but it shouldn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Good for him, I guess. No one would have offered him anything close to that for a few reasons. Biggest one is that teams won't have cap space and the ones that do certainly won't spend it on Nance.

Just curious, say we traded Nance, what do you think is his value really? just trying to understand his value on this contract.

But again, I don't care at all about it. I just think we are way too quick to offer extensions, certainly for RFAs. Let them hit the market.

 

[Jake]

I'm not sure what we should do. I'm so disgusted by that pitiful beatdown Atlanta unleashed on us that I can't think straight. I barely feel good about any of our guys now. Love missing all those threes. Cedi coming down to earth. Sexton maybe not what I was hoping for. Nance , we'll see but I'm not expecting much. Now that he got paid, we he become another on of "those". Fkin Lue sticking with what don't work, repeatably. Whats to like? Yet other teams with guys you never heard of lighting it up.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Gilbert will be in budget slashing mode soon enough. He went with emotions and that didn't work out, to no surprise.

Dan has never been a "budget slasher" with this team. Even after we lost LBJ in 2010--he put his money where his mouth was and took Baron Davis' albatross contract for a unprotected 1st that turned into the guy who hit the game winning shot in game 7 of the 2016 NBA finals---Kyrie Irving.

I think Dan will certainly probably make Altman keep us under the luxury tax for this season and next season, but that's actually a smart move while we're re-tooling because it completely resets the luxury tax penalties we'd incur for being repeat tax payers.

In fact, if the Cavs stay under the luxury tax the next two years while also keeping our first rounder we owe to Atlanta both years(top 10 protected the next two years, then turns into 2nd rounders) and stay away from bringing in overpriced free agents, we could be looking at a pretty interesting roster in the summer of 2020...We'd only have Nance and Love on the books at declining salaries, Sexton on his rookie deal, Zizic on his rookie deal, the next two 1st rounders on their rookie deals, and Osman I believe would be heading into restricted free agency. We could easily have 2 full max slots and then some on top of Love, Nance and the other young bucks. Clarkson and Thompsons contracts will be up and I believe everyone else is basically on an expiring this year.

In fact, if I were the Cavs...that would be my plan without a doubt. I would even try to lock Osman up on a reasonable extension as soon as possible and then I would only sign free agents to 1 year deals next summer.

Stay under the tax, reset the repeater penalties, pick in the top 10 for the next two years and then you're looking at 2020/2021 with hopefully an intriguing young core of Sexton, 2 top 10 picks, Osman and Zizic (plus anything we get for Korver/, a good veteran big on a declining salary, a borderline all-star veteran big on a declining salary...and about 70 million or so in cap room? Even if we cant land any big free agents, the cap room gives you many avenues to improve your team.

I wonder if that might not be secretly what Koby and the front office are hoping happens.

 

[TyGuy]

Dan has never been a "budget slasher" with this team. Even after we lost LBJ in 2010--he put his money where his mouth was and took Baron Davis' albatross contract for a unprotected 1st that turned into the guy who hit the game winning shot in game 7 of the 2016 NBA finals---Kyrie Irving.

I think Dan will certainly probably make Altman keep us under the luxury tax for this season and next season, but that's actually a smart move while we're re-tooling because it completely resets the luxury tax penalties we'd incur for being repeat tax payers.

In fact, if the Cavs stay under the luxury tax the next two years while also keeping our first rounder we owe to Atlanta both years(top 10 protected the next two years, then turns into 2nd rounders) and stay away from bringing in overpriced free agents, we could be looking at a pretty interesting roster in the summer of 2020...We'd only have Nance and Love on the books at declining salaries, Sexton on his rookie deal, Zizic on his rookie deal, the next two 1st rounders on their rookie deals, and Osman I believe would be heading into restricted free agency. We could easily have 2 full max slots and then some on top of Love, Nance and the other young bucks. Clarkson and Thompsons contracts will be up and I believe everyone else is basically on an expiring this year.

In fact, if I were the Cavs...that would be my plan without a doubt. I would even try to lock Osman up on a reasonable extension as soon as possible and then I would only sign free agents to 1 year deals next summer.

Stay under the tax, reset the repeater penalties, pick in the top 10 for the next two years and then you're looking at 2020/2021 with hopefully an intriguing young core of Sexton, 2 top 10 picks, Osman and Zizic (plus anything we get for Korver/, a good veteran big on a declining salary, a borderline all-star veteran big on a declining salary...and about 70 million or so in cap room? Even if we cant land any big free agents, the cap room gives you many avenues to improve your team.

I wonder if that might not be secretly what Koby and the front office are hoping happens.

We need to draft stars, it's early, but I don't think we drafted a star in Sexton. That's what the team really needs to focus on.

 

[benchplayer]

We need to draft stars, it's early, but I don't think we drafted a star in Sexton. That's what the team really needs to focus on.

I'm not gonna grade sexton yet, especially after just 3 games. As I said before, we can Tank all we want and it won't mean a thing unless we hit with the picks. Some teams are stuck tanking for years because they suck at scouting.
Back to sexton, IF we are gonna tank, put the ball in his hands an let's see what we got.