2018-2019 Tank Thread

[Sebastian]

We need to draft stars, it's early, but I don't think we drafted a star in Sexton. That's what the team really needs to focus on.

Time to play JR and Dekker 40 minutes a game.

Gunner, Dekker, Top-3 Pick. Fire!

 

[MirORich]

Play over Dekker and Hood? Fantastic.

Don’t see that at all as a threat to Cedi’s minutes and not sure how it would take minutes away from Sexton, as neither of those guys play PG

 

[I'mWithDan]

Play over Dekker and Hood? Fantastic.

Don’t see that at all as a threat to Cedi’s minutes and not sure how it would take minutes away from Sexton, as neither of those guys play PG

We are such a shitty, shitty run organization.

God bless 2016. Jesus Christ did we somehow pull that rabbit out of our hat.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Play over Dekker and Hood? Fantastic.

Don’t see that at all as a threat to Cedi’s minutes and not sure how it would take minutes away from Sexton, as neither of those guys play PG

I actually saw Nance mad at Sexton last game for sev rap defensive “miscues” where he was supposed to switch, but instead stuck with his man.

Then in a post game interview Sexton was asked about the switching defense and he said that they need to communicate better and that he won’t switch automatically. It almost seemed like he he wants to go against the coaches orders.

So if they want to win now, benching Sexton wouldn’t completely surprise me b cause it’s the Cavs.

 

[TyGuy]

I'm not gonna grade sexton yet, especially after just 3 games. As I said before, we can Tank all we want and it won't mean a thing unless we hit with the picks. Some teams are stuck tanking for years because they suck at scouting.
Back to sexton, IF we are gonna tank, put the ball in his hands an let's see what we got.

A small guard that struggles finishing, can't and wont shoot threes, and has tunnel vision just doesn't project as a star in this league.

 

[Mavaliersfan]

Sexton has played 3 nba games and he's shown flashes in at least 2 of the 3... let's just pump the brakes a little in terms of evaluating his potential

 

[Real Deal]

Dekker is the worst basketball player of basketball players. The fact that FSO chose him of all players to be mic'd up is a joke. The fact that he's in Lue's rotation is another joke.

But goddamn't he's one of our top soldiers.

 

[I'mWithDan]

A small guard that struggles finishing, can't and wont shoot threes, and has tunnel vision just doesn't project as a star in this league.

Chris Paul was 16/8 as a rookie with a 45.6% EFG....and shot 43% from the field and 28% from 3.

Vision was certainly better but efficiently scoring, as a small player, takes an adjustment period.

I mean, look at those rookie numbers for Paul. 45.6% EFG is out of the league bad.

If you take that number and look at sub 6'4" players in 2018, just for context, a 45.6% EFG would have ranked 63rd out of 76 qualifying players......right in the area of Jarred Jack and recovering blown achilles Mario Chalmers.

I don't know what Sexton will be but development for shorter players can be slower. CP3 didn't see that star level efficiency jump until he was into his 3rd year, at 22 years old.

I am in no way predicting Sexton will ever be in the same ballpark, just pointing out that even a player as good as Paul needed 2+ seasons, to get a feel for how he could efficiently score as a much shorter PG.

 

[inliner311]

Play over Dekker and Hood? Fantastic.

Don’t see that at all as a threat to Cedi’s minutes and not sure how it would take minutes away from Sexton, as neither of those guys play PG

Lue reduced the rotation to 9 on Sunday night and the pace looked slower. I think he could actually just sit Dekker and move the rotation to 11. I'm just not sure how Lue actually manages those minutes though.

I think for Sextons development, you need to surround him with vets that can help him out. Let Sexton be a real PG and operate the offense. Basically keep him away from playing with Clarkson. A lineup where Sexton plays with JR, Korver, Frye, and Nance should give him the space to operate and help him develop good habits of getting everyone involved. I would make an effort to give him at least 10 minutes a game with that lineup.

 

[TitleTown]

There is no version of "winning" NBA basketball that includes Clarkson and Hood. So, playing more Korver, Frye, and JR over Clarkson and Hood sounds great to me.

Even if we're focused on player development and not so much on winning, I don't see how Sexton, Cedi, and Zizic ever develop into their full potential when playing with Clarkson and Hood.

Clarkson and Hood should have been traded, cut, etc. in the offseason.

 

[TyGuy]

Chris Paul was 16/8 as a rookie with a 45.6% EFG....and shot 43% from the field and 28% from 3.

Vision was certainly better but efficiently scoring, as a small player, takes an adjustment period.

I mean, look at those rookie numbers for Paul. 45.6% EFG is out of the league bad.

If you take that number and look at sub 6'4" players in 2018, just for context, a 45.6% EFG would have ranked 63rd out of 76 qualifying players......right in the area of Jarred Jack and recovering blown achilles Mario Chalmers.

I don't know what Sexton will be but development for shorter players can be slower. CP3 didn't see that star level efficiency jump until he was into his 3rd year, at 22 years old.

I am in no way predicting Sexton will ever be in the same ballpark, just pointing out that even a player as good as Paul needed 2+ seasons, to get a feel for how he could efficiently score as a much shorter PG.

Chris Paul was a rookie in a different era and still had a ts over league average as a rookie. He was also an elite playmaker and a good defender year 1. Maybe if Paul wasn't a good defender, and also had poor vision that would be a good comparison.

Id also argue that Chris Paul made a stars impact immediately:

6.1 BPM (higher than mvp year Rose) and a 5.7 VORP

 

[Futuredome]

Hood should have been dealt. Though, I think Clarkson's 'scorepages' will flutter another teams heart this winter................

 

[I'mWithDan]

Chris Paul was a rookie in a different era and still had a ts over league average as a rookie. He was also an elite playmaker and a good defender year 1. Maybe if Paul wasn't a good defender, and also had poor vision that would be a good comparison.

I didn't say it was a good 1-1 comparison and angling towards that is not in the spirit of what you originally said, which I think is too simplistic . I said short players, in general, have a longer adjustment period at the next level.....and here's an example of a better short player (CP3) going through that.

Chris Paul is a more talented player and even he really struggled to score at an efficient level his first 100-150 games of his career.

It's fine if everyone wants to put a stake in the ground on Collin but go dig up shorter NBA PG's career starts......there's many examples of guys taking longer to blossom as players. It's one of the few player types that can see a very large jump in performance after several years of struggling to start their careers.

 

[TyGuy]

I said short players, in general, have a longer adjustment period at the next level.....and here's an example of a better short player (CP3) going through that.

Do you have any evidence that backs this up? Because for the longest time people said that about bigs and i'm sure they still do but it was debunked here. Certainly the example of Chris Paul doesn't hold up since he was an elite player right away.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I like how it's being stated as a fact that Sexton "wont" shoot threes, when he's literally never had a problem taking plenty of them until the first 3 games of his NBA career playing 80% of his already limited minutes next to Jordan Clarkson and watching from the corner.

Should be pretty clear from watching Collin in college that he has no issue firing them up. And it's not like he was ever like sub 25% from 3 bad....he was a 31-33% guy which actually isn't too bad given his mechanical shortcomings at his young age. Him not taking them so far has everything to do with coaching/opportunity and 0 to do with not being willing.