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#21: Browns select Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor

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Also, Benard and Roth could move to DE in the 4-3, while not great pas rushers, we have alot more depth and options at DE than DT. Not saying many good options, but some. DT was the bigger hole than DE. Said statement really considering how big of a hole DE is, but true none the less.
 
I think this will be a good pick but it caught everybody off guard. The same way TJ Ward came from left field and people were questioning the pick, Taylor will be a good player.
 
Also, Benard and Roth could move to DE in the 4-3, while not great pas rushers, we have alot more depth and options at DE than DT. Not saying many good options, but some. DT was the bigger hole than DE. Said statement really considering how big of a hole DE is, but true none the less.

The guy has injury issues. His bones are f'd up in his feet.


I think this will be a good pick but it caught everybody off guard. The same way TJ Ward came from left field and people were questioning the pick, Taylor will be a good player.

Everyone keeps sayin TJ Ward threw everyone off guard. I don't remember that, but then again I wasn't on RCF that night. I just remember watchin Ward try to hurt people in college.
 
Browns wouldn't have picked him if he had major injury issues... We have to trust the doctors so therefore let's throw the those issues out..

Cleveland Browns' top draft pick, Phil Taylor, grateful for second chance to impress at Baylor
Updated: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 11:30 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer


BEREA, Ohio -- Phil Taylor got a fresh start after being kicked off the Penn State football team, and worked his way all the way up to the No. 21 overall pick in the NFL Draft.

"I was young, I made a mistake and I moved on from it," the Baylor defensive tackle said on a conference call after being the Browns' first-round pick Thursday night. "I went down to Baylor and made the best of a second chance and I'm happy to be here right now."

Taylor said negative medical reports about his feet leading up to the draft "were all just rumors, that's all it was."

He said, "I can stop and the run and I can give you a great pass rush as well."

Taylor, a massive nose tackle at 6-3 1/2, 337 pounds, had two off-the-field incidents at Penn State in 2007 and 2008 and was kicked off the team by coach Joe Paterno. He was involved in an on-campus fight in 2007 and then charged with assault in 2008 -- charges that were later dismissed.

Taylor transferred to Baylor and had to sit out the 2008 season under NCAA rules. But he became a new man with the Bears and impressed NFL scouts and coaches with his size and explosiveness off the ball. Taylor's 2009 season wasn't what Baylor coaches were hoping for because of turf toe, but he came on strong in 2010.

ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. writes of Taylor in his draft book, "He showed he can be a disruptive force along the interior of the defensive line. Taylor is a massive tackle who can throw around the center or guards like they're rag dolls. He's tremendously powerful and strong and is a great run-stuffing defensive tackle, showing excellent stoutness at the point of attack.

"In fact, Taylor is arguably the best pure nosetackle in this draft...an immovable object along the interior."

Taylor started 22 of 25 games at Baylor, nine at strong-side defensive tackle and 13 at nose guard. He recorded 87 tackles, 2.5 sacks for minus-18 yards, 9.5 stops for loss, eight pressures and one forced fumble and two blocked kicks.

Taylor's father, Phil Sr. explained to the Philadelphia Inquirer why his son went astray at Penn State.

"When you get a whole lot of buddies that have been playing high school all together for four years and then come up to Penn State, you're going to get in trouble," Taylor Sr. said. "So they're running all together and they're acting crazy."

Taylor, who was also humbled by a trip to Kenya where he helped out the poor, said he tried to make the most of his year off in 2008.

"I worked on the scout team and did morning workouts with the freshman team," he told the Inquirer. "It was humbling. But you just can't come in as a transfer and just think you've got it made. You have to earn it."

Taylor weighed about 385 pounds when he arrived at Baylor, but trimmed down for his senior season and it made all the difference. He made 45 tackles, seven for losses and was named second-team all-Big 12.

His dad added, "I think for Phil, getting away from everybody changed everything. He went down to Baylor, a Christian school, and had no incidents for three years. He was at Penn State for -- what, two years? -- and had two incidents."

NFL Network's Mike Mayock said of Taylor, "He's an inconsistent player like a lot of defensive linemen coming out of college football when they're 300-plus pounds. They don't play hard every snap, but he flashes. He's a big, strong kid that flashes."

Still sound like a fat, lazy slob to you guys?
 
Browns wouldn't have picked him if he had major injury issues... We have to trust the doctors so therefore let's throw the those issues out..

Cleveland Browns' top draft pick, Phil Taylor, grateful for second chance to impress at Baylor
Updated: Thursday, April 28, 2011, 11:30 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer



"I worked on the scout team and did morning workouts with the freshman team," he told the Inquirer. "It was humbling. But you just can't come in as a transfer and just think you've got it made. You have to earn it."


Still sound like a fat, lazy slob to you guys?

This quote makes me a little nervous. :D
 
I'm good with going DT in the first round. I worry about the questions on this guy's work ethic and ability to stay in shape. I'm also worried about his tweet going into the draft saying he's on the hunt to get the money.

All that said, if he can plug in a spot on the Dline and hold his position for the next 8-10 years, it'll be a great pick. I know nothing about him as a player besides everything I've read over the past hour, and I have a lot of confidence that means Heckert and Holmgren are more informed than me, but...

Still skeptical. We'll see. Hope he works out.
 
In 2009, I very much wanted BJ Raji. Despite Rogers being at the top of his game, you can't have enough players who can control the line of scrimmage while being able to pressure the QB when needed. If we had more DL players like this, Wimbley would have looked much better as a Brown.

To speak to the 3rd rounder, remember that Heckert is the type who targets a handful of players every round. If he traded down to 27, chances are he felt Taylor was the target and he wanted to pick up a few extra picks along the way. Here's the problem: his whole draft hinges on Taylor being there with the lower pick. Giving up a 3rd yet gaining a 2nd and 4th to get the player you wanted all along isn't a detriment to his Gm skills, but rather a testament to his ability to dictate the draft plan. When Butch and Savage were reactive, Heckert was proactive.

I hope Taylor's feet stay healthy. If so, he is a good pick who makes the edge rushers look better.
 
Everyone keeps sayin TJ Ward threw everyone off guard. I don't remember that, but then again I wasn't on RCF that night. I just remember watchin Ward try to hurt people in college.


Trust me, people were destroying the TJ Ward pick and saying it should have been Taylor Mays. Looks like Heckart knew what he was doing then, so I will trust him now. If this guy can be anything similar to a Casey Hampton then I am fine with it. We added a First Rd. next year and 2nd this year. We could walk away from tomorrow with 3 starters.

Now just pray Bowers drops and add a WR plus your 2 FIRST rd picks next year, and that is a very solid draft.
 
Anyone else wonder why we moved up.. I'm almost positive he would have been there at 27, instead we just gave away a couple of draft picks for no reason, doesn't make much sense to me..
 
Bowers would be a great addition and would make the Taylor pick look decent. I still don't understand why we needed to trade up to get him at 21. Seems from all reports that he would have lasted the couple of picks and we still would have had a 3rd to play with.
 
The concern about giving up a third round pick to move up to get him isn't really that huge of a deal in my opinion. The Atlanta trade was so lopsided in my opinion that with two second round (and fourth round) picks this year, giving up their third rounder isn't that cataclysmic.
 
Anyone else wonder why we moved up.. I'm almost positive he would have been there at 27, instead we just gave away a couple of draft picks for no reason, doesn't make much sense to me..

Speculation says they felt he wouldn't have been.
 
Anyone else wonder why we moved up.. I'm almost positive he would have been there at 27, instead we just gave away a couple of draft picks for no reason, doesn't make much sense to me..

You, the ignorant fan, are positive. Heckert and Holmgren, the guys in the war room, didn't think he would last.

Who to trust, who to trust..
 
Honestly, I would prefer we avoided Bowers if he fell to us. There's a reason why H&H didn't want him in the first place. Yeah, he could be a beast, but he has too much of a risk with his knee. With the Browns rebuilding, we can't really afford to waste any picks and Bowers's knee is just too big of a risk, IMO. I'd be much more comfortable going with someone else.
 
You, the ignorant fan, are positive. Heckert and Holmgren, the guys in the war room, didn't think he would last.

Who to trust, who to trust..

Eh, this dude would have made it 6 more picks to 27.. put my money on it
 

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