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You don't know this, neither did H&H. They clearly were worried about him not being there or they wouldn't have done it.
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#21: Browns select Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor
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You don't know this, neither did H&H. They clearly were worried about him not being there or they wouldn't have done it.
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The 2nd and 4th we got from Atlanta were both near the end of each of the rounds. The 3rd we gave up is near the top of the round and only a few picks worse than the 2nd we got from ATL. Also, if you go by the chart, #27 and a very low 3rd would be equal to the #21. According to the chart we overpaid considerably for the pick because we used a very high 3rd round pick.
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Of course I don't, but the picks after us went like so:
22-OT
23-OG
24-DE
25-OG
26-WR
27-CB
Looks to me like he would have been there.. most of those all adressed the offensive side of the ball. BAD DEAL
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We filled a giant need without allocating a giant portion of our cap to it. We also made it so we have 18 picks in the next two drafts combined. I am POSITIVE that we need to draft more players rather than have a rich WR with the dropsies.
I get irritated when people say that Taylor is a 3-4 nose tackle because someone else said it. The guy played in the 4-3 through all of college, plus saying our interior linemen are too big is like saying that a team's RBs are too fast.... Just flawed logic.
I'm happy about having Phil.
I get irritated when people say that Taylor is a 3-4 nose tackle because someone else said it. The guy played in the 4-3 through all of college, plus saying our interior linemen are too big is like saying that a team's RBs are too fast.... Just flawed logic.
I'm happy about having Phil.
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#Browns GM Tom Heckert said Phil Taylor never came out of games when he played for Baylor. "This kid's effort is not a problem whatsoever."
#Browns GM Tom Heckert said Phil Taylor checked out fine medically with team doctors. Bones growing together in feet not an issue, he said.
#Browns GM Tom Heckert said Phil Taylor never came out of games when he played for Baylor. "This kid's effort is not a problem whatsoever."
#Browns GM Tom Heckert said Phil Taylor checked out fine medically with team doctors. Bones growing together in feet not an issue, he said.
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There were reports KC was going to select him early in the week. Also heard Indy was interested in Taylor.
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Can't please everybody. You build teams with trades and drafts like this, not by allocating huge amounts of money into flashy top 5 players that have high bust rates (especially receivers). There will be a time to take some offensive weapons- we now have 2 1st rounders next year, people. Endless possibilities come 2012. For now, we still have the ability to fill more needs in 2011 with our 2nd rounders.
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Conference call Q&A with Taylor, some of which was used in above profile.
Taylor has often been labeled as a 3-4 nose tackle, but General Manager Tom Heckert and coach Pat Shurmur are convinced he will fit well in their 4-3 scheme alongside Ahtyba Rubin. Taylor had 62 tackles, including seven for loss, and two sacks last season at Baylor.
The 6-foot-3, 337-pound Taylor comes to Cleveland with some baggage. He started his collegiate career at Penn State, but he transferred to Baylor after he was dismissed from the team following several off-the-field incidents, including an on-campus fight. According to a recent report from CBS Sports, some teams had concerns about bones growing together in Taylor's feet, though Heckert said Taylor checked out fine.
After he was picked, Taylor talked to local reporters via phone from New York. Here is a transcript from the interview:
Browns defensive lineman Phil Taylor Conference Call 4-28-11
(On his general reaction to being drafted by the Browns and if he was surprised) — “No, I wasn’t that surprised. I didn’t think it was going to be me at first when you guys were at the sixth pick overall, but when I saw you guys trade back, I started to think a little bit. Then when the 21st pick came around and Kansas City was still there, then my agent told me that you guys were doing some trading around, and I kind of thought it was going to be me and that’s when the phone rang.”
(On how he describes himself as a player and what he does well) — “I stop the run. I’m a great run-stopping defensive tackle and I can give you a good pass rush as well.”
(On if he is comfortable in the 4-3 defense) — “Yes, I played the 4-3 my whole college career.”
(On if he has thought about starting or playing a lot right away) — “I’ve thought about it, but going to the next level, it’s a tough task. I just want to take it all in and work hard and do what I’ve got to do to get on the field.”
(On playing in cold weather) — “I’ve played in the cold before. I was at Penn State for two years and also I grew up in Washington D.C., so playing in the cold wouldn’t be a problem for me at all.”
(On why he thought the Browns were going to draft him) — “My agent was just giving me a lot of info. When I was on my visit, it felt like home and I liked the coaches a lot. When I saw that they had traded up to the 21st pick, I just had a feeling it was going to be me.”
(On if leaving Penn State was a concern during draft process) — “I don’t think it was a concern. I was young and I made a mistake, but I moved on from it. Then I went down to Baylor and just made the best of a second chance, and I’m happy to be in this situation now.”
(On where he is right now) — “I’m backstage at the draft, still at the draft. I’m in New York.”
(On if he is glad the issues with his feet are over with) — “It was just rumors. That’s all it was. I just figured it was a couple other teams later back that wanted to throw some things out there, so they could maybe end up getting me. That’s all that was.”
(On if he took note of where he was rated in mock drafts) — “It’s not up to those guys in rating players and all that. It’s all up to the GMs and the coaches in who they want, so that’s what I think.”
(On his statistical improvement from his junior to senior year at Baylor) — “The biggest thing was getting my weight down. That was one thing that helped me out a lot my senior year was playing at a lower weight, doing the necessary things off the field with my cardio which is what helped me out tremendously.”
(On the impact of his trip to Kenya on his life) — “It was just a humbling experience. I went down there and helped out the underprivileged kids there and it just made me realize how blessed I am and how fortunate we are to be here.”
(On his pre-draft conversations with Tom Heckert) — “We didn’t really talk a lot other than when I was there for the visit. I guess they were trying to keep it a real secret, but I’m just glad they picked me. I look forward to being there and playing for the Cleveland Browns.”
(On who he compares himself to as a player) — “I compare myself a lot to like a Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork type of person.”
(On being selected over other big names still on the draft board such as Da’Quan Bowers) — “Yes, I was waiting. I didn’t think he would drop this far. I thought he was going to go like every pick after the 15th or so. I thought it was probably going to be him. I’m just happy right now.”
(On if he will use being passed up by other teams as motivation this year) — “Who wouldn’t? I’m going to use it as motivation to make me better, to play even harder.”
Taylor has often been labeled as a 3-4 nose tackle, but General Manager Tom Heckert and coach Pat Shurmur are convinced he will fit well in their 4-3 scheme alongside Ahtyba Rubin. Taylor had 62 tackles, including seven for loss, and two sacks last season at Baylor.
The 6-foot-3, 337-pound Taylor comes to Cleveland with some baggage. He started his collegiate career at Penn State, but he transferred to Baylor after he was dismissed from the team following several off-the-field incidents, including an on-campus fight. According to a recent report from CBS Sports, some teams had concerns about bones growing together in Taylor's feet, though Heckert said Taylor checked out fine.
After he was picked, Taylor talked to local reporters via phone from New York. Here is a transcript from the interview:
Browns defensive lineman Phil Taylor Conference Call 4-28-11
(On his general reaction to being drafted by the Browns and if he was surprised) — “No, I wasn’t that surprised. I didn’t think it was going to be me at first when you guys were at the sixth pick overall, but when I saw you guys trade back, I started to think a little bit. Then when the 21st pick came around and Kansas City was still there, then my agent told me that you guys were doing some trading around, and I kind of thought it was going to be me and that’s when the phone rang.”
(On how he describes himself as a player and what he does well) — “I stop the run. I’m a great run-stopping defensive tackle and I can give you a good pass rush as well.”
(On if he is comfortable in the 4-3 defense) — “Yes, I played the 4-3 my whole college career.”
(On if he has thought about starting or playing a lot right away) — “I’ve thought about it, but going to the next level, it’s a tough task. I just want to take it all in and work hard and do what I’ve got to do to get on the field.”
(On playing in cold weather) — “I’ve played in the cold before. I was at Penn State for two years and also I grew up in Washington D.C., so playing in the cold wouldn’t be a problem for me at all.”
(On why he thought the Browns were going to draft him) — “My agent was just giving me a lot of info. When I was on my visit, it felt like home and I liked the coaches a lot. When I saw that they had traded up to the 21st pick, I just had a feeling it was going to be me.”
(On if leaving Penn State was a concern during draft process) — “I don’t think it was a concern. I was young and I made a mistake, but I moved on from it. Then I went down to Baylor and just made the best of a second chance, and I’m happy to be in this situation now.”
(On where he is right now) — “I’m backstage at the draft, still at the draft. I’m in New York.”
(On if he is glad the issues with his feet are over with) — “It was just rumors. That’s all it was. I just figured it was a couple other teams later back that wanted to throw some things out there, so they could maybe end up getting me. That’s all that was.”
(On if he took note of where he was rated in mock drafts) — “It’s not up to those guys in rating players and all that. It’s all up to the GMs and the coaches in who they want, so that’s what I think.”
(On his statistical improvement from his junior to senior year at Baylor) — “The biggest thing was getting my weight down. That was one thing that helped me out a lot my senior year was playing at a lower weight, doing the necessary things off the field with my cardio which is what helped me out tremendously.”
(On the impact of his trip to Kenya on his life) — “It was just a humbling experience. I went down there and helped out the underprivileged kids there and it just made me realize how blessed I am and how fortunate we are to be here.”
(On his pre-draft conversations with Tom Heckert) — “We didn’t really talk a lot other than when I was there for the visit. I guess they were trying to keep it a real secret, but I’m just glad they picked me. I look forward to being there and playing for the Cleveland Browns.”
(On who he compares himself to as a player) — “I compare myself a lot to like a Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork type of person.”
(On being selected over other big names still on the draft board such as Da’Quan Bowers) — “Yes, I was waiting. I didn’t think he would drop this far. I thought he was going to go like every pick after the 15th or so. I thought it was probably going to be him. I’m just happy right now.”
(On if he will use being passed up by other teams as motivation this year) — “Who wouldn’t? I’m going to use it as motivation to make me better, to play even harder.”
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This analysis omits the possibility that the KC, the team we traded with, was likely to draft Taylor to be Romeo's nose tackle. CLE had to sweeten the pot with the high third in order to convince them not to do so.
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This is why I was upset we dumped Shaun Rogers. I knew losing him would lead to a gaping hole at DT that would have to be filled, which would in turn mean we couldn't fill a hole at another position.
I don't get it, but whatever. His positives are that he is huge and can stop run. His negatives are that he is lazy, can't play a full a game, no pass rush, and is supposedly stupid. I won't judge him until I see him play for the Browns, but from what I have read, the negatives far outweigh the positives. The guys on ESPN also seemed to be like "WTF are the Browns doing?" Also seems odd we are going with two HUGE DT's.
Edit- forgot to mention foot problems and on his Twitter his bio says "on the hunt to get this money ya digg"
LMAO, can somebody explain to me why they like this pick, because I sure as hell know you didn't watch the guy play a bunch of games. The list of negatives is really stacking up compared to the positives of he is huge and can stop the run.
I don't know, if Julio Jones is worth 5 picks to the Falcons, he is worth 1 pick to me.
I don't get it, but whatever. His positives are that he is huge and can stop run. His negatives are that he is lazy, can't play a full a game, no pass rush, and is supposedly stupid. I won't judge him until I see him play for the Browns, but from what I have read, the negatives far outweigh the positives. The guys on ESPN also seemed to be like "WTF are the Browns doing?" Also seems odd we are going with two HUGE DT's.
Edit- forgot to mention foot problems and on his Twitter his bio says "on the hunt to get this money ya digg"
LMAO, can somebody explain to me why they like this pick, because I sure as hell know you didn't watch the guy play a bunch of games. The list of negatives is really stacking up compared to the positives of he is huge and can stop the run.
I don't know, if Julio Jones is worth 5 picks to the Falcons, he is worth 1 pick to me.
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Amen. drafting at the top of the first is often more harm than help to the teams drafting if the player doesn't turn out to be a star. when you aren't in love with any of the available prospects, trading down should be a no brainer
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I'm actually pretty happy with the pick. We get a chance to be beastly against the run. We already know Rubin is great at it, throw this mammoth next to him and we could have a stout defense. Now if we risk a second on Bowers (it's tough to pass on his talent in the 2nd) then we can have a good pass rusher to go with it. Grab a receiver and we are looking a lot better. That's ignoring free agency when it eventually rolls around.