#21: Browns select Phil Taylor, DT, Baylor

[Silky Smooth]

When supposedly the Steelers and Ravens want a player then you know you got a good player. Let's go get Bowers now.

 

[Soda]

Calling him lazy is ironic because the only way to come to that conclusion is to not do any research and jump to conclusions, aka, by being lazy.

 

[Prime 1978]

Why draft Phil Taylor??? Well it's already been mentioned that the Browns finished 27th in the vs the run. Here's another 12 reasons why they drafted Taylor.
Next year two games each vs Ced Benson, Rashard Mendenhall, and Ray Rice
Chris Johnson
Frank Gore
Darren McFadden
Arian Foster
Steven Jackson
Maurice Jones-Drew
I could also add Ronnie Brown to this all-star list of running backs they play next year.

Baltimore won the Super Bowl when they had Siragusa and Adams in the middle. Those two sumo wrestlers freed up a lot for Ray Lewis and Peter Boulware. Rubin and Taylor could make whoever we add to this line and the middle linebacker's job a whole lot easier.

Last year the top 5 teams against the run last year were:
1. Pittsburgh
2. Chicago
3. Green Bay
4. Baltimore
5. Atlanta

Who are those 4 teams??? That's only ALL four of the NFC and AFC championship teams, both of the Super Bowl teams, and a team that finished 13-3 with the best record in the NFC. Need I say more??

 

[Noonan]

This might be a bit of a stretch, but does this remind anyone of the way the Ravens used to have Siragusa and Adams? Those two weighed more than 700 pounds combined and would free up the Ravens linebackers. Seems like the Browns are going for something similar. Rubin is about 330. Taylor is 350 before breakfast. If things go according to plan the two of them should be able to shutdown the middle and let our backers make plays.

 

[ClevelandOwnz]

Why are some even questioning this pick ... look at the track record for Heckert. Shit just look at our draft last year. I do not question this mans judgement one bit on things and put my faith in him.

Yes he wont hit on everything but if we can continue to get 3 STARTERS in the draft -- well shit. I'll take that every year.

 

[Maximus]

Loved the trade, love the pick...that is all.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

This might be a bit of a stretch, but does this remind anyone of the way the Ravens used to have Siragusa and Adams? Those two weighed more than 700 pounds combined and would free up the Ravens linebackers. Seems like the Browns are going for something similar. Rubin is about 330. Taylor is 350 before breakfast. If things go according to plan the two of them should be able to shutdown the middle and let our backers make plays.

I was a bit perplexed at this pick at the time, mainly because I didn't know much about Phil Taylor, but the pick makes sense. It's not like pass rusher was the Browns only need. They desperately need help all across the D-line as Rubin is basically the only good young DL they have. As others have mentioned, the Browns had the 27th ranked run D last year. If you line up Taylor and Rubin over both guards, you suddenly have two guys that are going to command double teams and will allow D'Qwell or whoever is at ILB run free.

I think you will also see the Browns sprinkle in some 3-4 with Taylor at NT and Rubin sliding out to DE. The Browns had a huge problem getting off the field in 3rd and short situations last year, and it was mainly teams just running the ball up the middle. They were gashed up the middle for much of the season.

They might have overpaid a little to move up, but Indy was reportedly very high on Taylor and he might not have been there for the Browns pick. I'm not against giving up a little extra to make sure they get a guy they really want, especially after the haul of picks they got from the Falcons. Some of the "experts" bashing this pick because he "can't play in a 4-3" really confuse me. Holmgren, Heckert, and Jauron are some great football minds and I'm quite sure they wouldn't draft a guy unless they knew he would fit the system.

 

[The Voice]

Of course I don't, but the picks after us went like so:

22-OT
23-OG
24-DE
25-OG
26-WR
27-CB

Looks to me like he would have been there.. most of those all adressed the offensive side of the ball. BAD DEAL

That's great, but a lot of these teams draft the BPA.

 

[The Voice]

I was a bit thrown off when I first heard about the giving up that #3 just to trade up a few spots to take Taylor because it seemed like we traded our #6 pick for a #21 and a 4th rounder as the 3rd rounder we gave up isn't that much better than the 2nd we got ... but then they finally mentioned the fact we got 2 picks in next years draft as well - so, yeah, we still come out ahead.

Not wishing anyone to get hurt, but those picks next year are a Matt Ryan injury away from being a lot better than we think.

Why draft Phil Taylor??? Well it's already been mentioned that the Browns finished 27th in the vs the run. Here's another 12 reasons why they drafted Taylor.
Next year two games each vs Ced Benson, Rashard Mendenhall, and Ray Rice
Chris Johnson
Frank Gore
Darren McFadden
Arian Foster
Steven Jackson
Maurice Jones-Drew
I could also add Ronnie Brown to this all-star list of running backs they play next year.

Baltimore won the Super Bowl when they had Siragusa and Adams in the middle. Those two sumo wrestlers freed up a lot for Ray Lewis and Peter Boulware. Rubin and Taylor could make whoever we add to this line and the middle linebacker's job a whole lot easier.

Last year the top 5 teams against the run last year were:
1. Pittsburgh
2. Chicago
3. Green Bay
4. Baltimore
5. Atlanta

Who are those 4 teams??? That's only ALL four of the NFC and AFC championship teams, both of the Super Bowl teams, and a team that finished 13-3 with the best record in the NFC. Need I say more??

Yeah after I slept on it, I'm not as mad as I was before. We got about 700 pounds in the middle now.

 

[Lee]

Not wishing anyone to get hurt, but those picks next year are a Matt Ryan injury away from being a lot better than we think.




Yeah after I slept on it, I'm not as mad as I was before. We got about 700 pounds in the middle now.

First optomistic thing you have ever said. :chuckles:

 

[red.]

Phil would have been there at 27. Who was going to pick him otherwise? With all the holes Heckert's talked about, I don't know why he gave up a pick to reach for a player.

Now that, that's over... I like the pick now. I understand what Jauron is doing.

Hopefully now we can go with two DE's in round two or trade down and get more picks.

 

[Soda]

I want Aaron Williams with our second pick, pretty much rounds out the secondary; however, if we get Bowers (and he stays healthy), our weak d-line automatically turns into a strength.

 

[MD13]

I want Aaron Williams with our second pick, pretty much rounds out the secondary; however, if we get Bowers (and he stays healthy), our weak d-line automatically turns into a strength.

agreed. you've got to imagine that bowers risk/reward meter is pointing way towards reward right now. he may only play five years, but if he plays 10 we've got an absolute steal at this point

 

[The Voice]

Phil would have been there at 27. Who was going to pick him otherwise? With all the holes Heckert's talked about, I don't know why he gave up a pick to reach for a player.

Let me go check every other teams big boards...

 

[The Voice]

I want Aaron Williams with our second pick, pretty much rounds out the secondary; however, if we get Bowers (and he stays healthy), our weak d-line automatically turns into a strength.

I want Rahim Moore with the ATL 2nd. The dude is a ball hawk and the best FS in the draft. We need a FS, Elam is playing out of position. I'm not sure he will be there.