A Closer Look at Anthony ^--^ Davis

[Derek]

Re: A Closer Look at Anthony Davis

The thing about a team not winning with their PG being the best player.....no team in NBA history won a championship with a jump shooting Euro as their best player....until last year.

Larry Bird was from French Lick

 

[Shakalu M.D.]

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Larry Bird was from French Lick

You mean Freedom Lick.

 

[gregdawg]

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This thread is a fail:

(1) We have ALMOST no chance of drafting Davis
(2) There's no way in HELL we are trading Kyrie for this year's Greg Oden
(3) This thread hasn't been on topic for a LONG time

exactly. the chances of us getting Davis are almost zero. why waste energy talking about it and hoping for it, only to be disappointed? we might as well focus on players we actually have a decent chance of getting.

if by some miracle we get him, i'll eat my words...but getting Davis is just too much of a long shot to waste any energy on. it can only result in disappointment.

 

[TitleTown]

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exactly. the chances of us getting Davis are almost zero. why waste energy talking about it and hoping for it, only to be disappointed? might as well focus on players we actually have a decent chance of getting.

if by some miracle we get him, i'll eat my words...but it's just too much of a long shot.

Exactly -- there are so many smart posters on this board that give great analysis of players, but all we seem to talk about are Davis and MKG. If people want to hold out hope for a 2.8% chance in the lottery, that's fine, but can we at least start talking about players that we have a HIGH chance of drafting?

 

[KIrving15]

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I don't care where Davis goes...but for the love of god, cut that fucking brow.

 

[Henry Tuttle]

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Exactly -- there are so many smart posters on this board that give great analysis of players, but all we seem to talk about are Davis and MKG. If people want to hold out hope for a 2.8% chance in the lottery, that's fine, but can we at least start talking about players that we have a HIGH chance of drafting?

Those players are discussed in their respective threads - really not a difficult concept to grasp...

 

[TitleTown]

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Those players are discussed in their respective threads - really not a difficult concept to grasp...

Not that I care, but this thread hasn't been about Davis for pages...

And every other thread still just talks about Davis and MKG...

So your point falls a bit flat.

 

[Toph]

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Not that I care, but this thread hasn't been about Davis for pages...

And every other thread still just talks about Davis and MKG...

So your point falls a bit flat.

There's a thread dedicated to Beal, another one to Barnes. And the draft thread discusses guys like T-Rob, Lamb, Zeller, PJII (too much), and ALL of the other top prospects..

Starting to wonder if you actualy read all of the posts on this board?

 

[The Process God]

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Not that I care, but this thread hasn't been about Davis for pages...

And every other thread still just talks about Davis and MKG...

So your point falls a bit flat.

Davis will likely get drafted 1st overall, but we do have a chance at drafting Davis, especially if we keep on losing and drop down to say 4th, which is a very reachable spot at this point. Furthermore, I haven't seen you contribute to this thread once. As a matter of fact, you did the exact thing that I asked people not to do, and that's talk about how much we can't get Anthony Davis even though we can. Why talk about others not being on topic when you're contributing to it?

 

[Rich]

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exactly. the chances of us getting Davis are almost zero. why waste energy talking about it and hoping for it, only to be disappointed? we might as well focus on players we actually have a decent chance of getting.

if by some miracle we get him, i'll eat my words...but getting Davis is just too much of a long shot to waste any energy on. it can only result in disappointment.

So let me get this straight, we are only allowed to talk about players who you decide we are allowed to talk about? This isn't the Cavs game thread. This isn't the Kyrie Irving thread. This isn't the Trayvon Martin, NFL Draft, or LeBron Safari thread. It's the damn Anthony Davis thread. If you feel like it's a waste of time talking about Anthony Davis (not sure why, as our talking about any of these players doesn't change a damn thing in the real world, it's just conjecture that most of us apparently find enjoying) THEN DONT CLICK ON THE THREAD.

EDIT: And just to actually adress the point that we "won't get him." I agree, we probably won't. But that A. has nothing to do with talking about the kid and B. completely ignores the fact that the #8th worst team/pick last year ended up with #1 pick. Or have you forgotten?

 

[Rich]

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Take this guys advice:

You're always so good with the informative posts.

Let me put it this way, the best Centers in the league have more of an impact than do the best PGs in the league. This is obvious from the moment Wilt entered the league.

Hell, everyone is pulling and scraping to find teams whose best player was a PG that won a title, and yet I can give you recent dynasties that had mediocre to decent PGs. The Lakers last 5 titles have all seen Derek Fisher run the point. The Bulls had a couple of guys, none of whom are headed to the hall. Throw in the Celtics who had a very average Rondo (that year) and there you go.

Now, like I said in another thread, this doesn't mean that Kyrie can't win a title being the best player on a team. I hope and think he can. But I also believe that it's far easier to win a title with a great big man than a great big PG.

And for everyone throwing Magic out there, am I forgetting, or was Kareem not on those teams winning the MVP awards?

Now, if we are seriously going to debate whether or not a great big man is worth more than a great PG, then let's have that debate. If we are going to debate whether or not Anthony Davis will be great then let's have that debate.

But this is all you ever bring to the table. Nothing informative. Nothing substantial. Just stupid ass comments and .gifs that you think makes you the cool kid on the block. Next time, act like Boobie and try and come up with something thought out before hitting that submit button.

 

[Rich]

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Yeah, I'll take this opportunity to vehemently disagree with you.

First, Kyrie Irving is 20 years old, he's a rookie. He's not a 10+ year veteran, nearing the end of his career, coming off of neck fusion surgery.

In terms of prospect lore, Anthony Davis isn't close to Andrew Luck. First, he's projected as a Power Forward. I'm not saying it's impossible he'll be a long-term Center, but currently, he's a power forward. While showing great ability to play defense, NBA defense is extremely different than what they play in college. I'm not saying he won't be an excellent defender at the next level, I just think his defensive abilities are being romanticized a bit. Multiple DPOY? Can I watch him guard a Rose/Boozer pick and roll a few times first? For him to develop into a truly great defender, he's going to have to find himself in the right situation, with the right coach, just like any other all-time great defender.

Offensively, he has tools. He has the skill-set and the size. But we don't know if he has the natural offensive flow you'd expect from a "future superstar". It will be 3-5 years before you know if he has that ability. He's a freshman in college. There is a level of unknown there that is no longer there for Andrew Luck, or Kyrie Irving.

I am trying to be careful, while not wanting to diminish Davis as a prospect, I don't think you can realistically compare him to Luck as a prospect, nevermind the cross-sport issues.

Bringing Irving into the equation, he has shown elite offensive ability consistently against elite competition. He showed extreme dominance in his short college career, something that Davis hasn't really matched(he's been awesome, but has not displayed the effortless dominance that Kyrie displayed at Duke.) If you extrapolated Irving's 11 college games into a full season and matched it against Davis' production at Kentucky, considering all normal factors scouts consider, I think that most rational scouts would put Kyrie above Davis, a full tier above him, in-fact.

Add to that the fact that Kyrie is already an infinitely more proven commodity(sometimes people say this negatively to try and diminish performance in the interest of potential). When I say that, I also mean he is a more proven commodity than Davis relative to measuring both of them against superstars.

I just cannot find any string of logic to be able to agree to trade Kyrie Irving in any scenario at the moment.

That being said, Davis is the clear-cut #1 for a reason. He has the size, skill, and tools. He's shown enough to the point where it's no longer a question of if he will be a good pro, the question now turns to how good. I don't think he's a lock to be an elite defender and dominant scorer, but I think he's pretty likely to be really good at one and pretty damned good at the other. I'm not convinced he is a lock to be an offensive force yet, but he at least has a chance, which is often all you can ask for with most young big-men.

Ok, a logical response.

Obviously, there is an unknown with Davis that there isn't with Kyrie. I admitted as much in my post with the Luck comparison.

That said, I believe Davis has shown more than enough in college to give us an idea he has more than a decent chance at becoming an eliter defender in the NBA. Whether that's from the C or PF position is still tbd, but I believe his frame can support enough extra weight that he'll be able to play C in the NBA.

And he's also shown plenty of offensive skills to make me believe that he'll be at least a good offensive C. I mean, at this point his offensive is already more developed than Dwight Howard's 3rd year in the league.

And ultimately I go back to my proposition that a great Center has more of an impact on the game than does a great PG. Kyrie might be just as good as Anthony Davis, but I think the position Anthony Davis plays makes him more valuable to a team.

 

[metalman213]

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stop referring to davis as a center, he is a power forward.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

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You're always so good with the informative posts.

Let me put it this way, the best Centers in the league have more of an impact than do the best PGs in the league. This is obvious from the moment Wilt entered the league.

Hell, everyone is pulling and scraping to find teams whose best player was a PG that won a title, and yet I can give you recent dynasties that had mediocre to decent PGs. The Lakers last 5 titles have all seen Derek Fisher run the point. The Bulls had a couple of guys, none of whom are headed to the hall. Throw in the Celtics who had a very average Rondo (that year) and there you go.

Now, like I said in another thread, this doesn't mean that Kyrie can't win a title being the best player on a team. I hope and think he can. But I also believe that it's far easier to win a title with a great big man than a great big PG.

And for everyone throwing Magic out there, am I forgetting, or was Kareem not on those teams winning the MVP awards?

Now, if we are seriously going to debate whether or not a great big man is worth more than a great PG, then let's have that debate. If we are going to debate whether or not Anthony Davis will be great then let's have that debate.

But this is all you ever bring to the table. Nothing informative. Nothing substantial. Just stupid ass comments and .gifs that you think makes you the cool kid on the block. Next time, act like Boobie and try and come up with something thought out before hitting that submit button.

It makes ZERO sense to trade a 20 year old pg who is putting up the numbers he is for another #1 pick. How do you expect to make any progress with that kind of mindset? Ok say we trade Kyrie for Davis, that just further extends the rebuilding process. I think Anthony Davis is going to be one hell of player, but not worth trading Kyrie for. Kyrie has already shown flashes of being a superstar type of player. And I don't even disagree about your stance on point guards. But that doesn't mean we should trade a PG with the kind of talent Kyrie has for another player. You keep your star player and do your best to add another. Your way of building will get you nowhere fast. Are you going to offer Anthony Davis for the next #1 pick that comes out? And are you also aware that Anthony Davis isn't a center? At least not at this point. And if you don't like what I have to say, than put me on ignore. But you got a lot of nerve to say "i make stupid ass comments" when you just tried explaining why trading Kyrie for Davis was a great idea. I never run away from a debate, and when im wrong, I eat crow for it. But calling my posts "stupid ass comments" is extremely hypocritical coming from you.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

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stop referring to davis as a center, he is a power forward.

The season isn't over yet. He still has time to figure that out eventually.