A Look Inside the Dysfunction of the Cleveland Browns

[Cassity14]

In what respect are all those stories "finished" today?

Go back and look through that article at all the crap that's rehashed. What makes all those stories suddenly "finished" in January 2019 as opposed to before?

Manziel was drafted in 2014, and released in early 2016. If the story of the Manziel draft wasn't "finished" when Manziel was released in 2016, what suddenly makes it "finished" today? What makes the story of 2015 sex harassment training "finished" today? What makes the story of Sean McDermott not being hired in 2016 suddenly "finished" today.

The entire premise of the article is that Haslam fucks things up, so that's not over either. So if the goal was to wait until the story is "finished", that should have happened whenever Haslam no longer owns the team.

Sorry I just saw this.

I think, and I'm just making an inference here because I didn't write it, that the tone of the story is that the story of Haslam messing everything up by being unable to stay out of his own way ended with John Dorsey's decision to A: Fire Hue and Haley, B: The success that followed, C: The Kitchens hire, and D: The overall optimism toward the Browns that we haven't seen in over a decade.

You may disagree with him that it's ready to be told, and that's perfectly fine, but I do think that was his reason for writing it now, which was the original question that sparked the discussion.

 

[Norm]

Im just surprised that nobody was offended by all the helmet to helmet contact during the 20 minutes of #dp

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You may disagree with him that it's ready to be told, and that's perfectly fine, but I do think that was his reason for writing it now, which was the original question that sparked the discussion.

Okay, my guess is that he had a bunch of dirt on the Browns in which most of the world really wasn't interested -- most of it just recycled stuff. Now that the Browns are getting noticed because things look to be going well, he figures he can dump all the dirt and get a bigger audience because more people around the country are finally noticing the Browns in a positive way.

To me, this really isn't any different from the 50 year old references to the river catching on fire, or on how the Drive, the Fumble, the Shot would get replayed ad nauseum whenever something good looked to be happening for one of our teams. Because hey, whenever someone mentions the Cleveland, or the Browns, or the Cavs, or the Indians, there's no better time to recycle old jokes!

 

[Lee]

Im just surprised that nobody was offended by all the helmet to helmet contact during the 20 minutes of #dp

I saw the 20 minutes, and there was a whole bunch of dog pounding going on, like twice as much as usual for some reason.

 

[Vee-Rex]

Okay, my guess is that he had a bunch of dirt on the Browns in which most of the world really wasn't interested -- most of it just recycled stuff. Now that the Browns are getting noticed because things look to be going well, he figures he can dump all the dirt and get a bigger audience because more people around the country are finally noticing the Browns in a positive way.

To me, this really isn't any different from the 50 year old references to the river catching on fire, or on how the Drive, the Fumble, the Shot would get replayed ad nauseum whenever something good looked to be happening for one of our teams. Because hey, whenever someone mentions the Cleveland, or the Browns, or the Cavs, or the Indians, there's no better time to recycle old jokes!

And I love how opposing fans think they're sooooo original by referencing one of those.

"Who wantz to liv n a citee ware duh rivur catchiz on fyer!!! HURRR DURRR!!!"

Yeah, you're only the billionth person to say that. Screw off, asshole.

 

[Lee]

And I love how opposing fans think they're sooooo original by referencing one of those.

"Who wantz to liv n a citee ware duh rivur catchiz on fyer!!! HURRR DURRR!!!"

Yeah, you're only the billionth person to say that. Screw off, asshole.

Thing is, Cleveland is a decently desirable city to Football (and baseball) players. Its only basketball and their metro lifestyle that doesn't like Cleveland. But Cleveland fans are great to their athletes, cheap place to live, very family friendly, easy on traffic, etc. These are all things football players look for, thus why I feel once we start winning we will have no problem attracting players in free agency or keeping our own players.

Schwartz and others only left because the organization was a mess, but Dorsey has us on the right track for sure. I would almost argue if we are a perennial play off team, Cleveland is a top 5 destination for players. Its so different than football.

 

[Triple-S]

Thing is, Cleveland is a decently desirable city to Football (and baseball) players. Its only basketball and their metro lifestyle that doesn't like Cleveland. But Cleveland fans are great to their athletes, cheap place to live, very family friendly, easy on traffic, etc. These are all things football players look for, thus why I feel once we start winning we will have no problem attracting players in free agency or keeping our own players.

I think it's just due to the NBA being a completely different animal now with completely different players.

I think guys like Mark Price, Larry Bird, Brad Daughtery, Ron Harper, Charles Oakley, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, etc were not about that sort of thing.

It is what it is.

Anyways. Cleveland is a good market for the things you said. The only downside is the winter weather, but even then you know...you can have a winter home, so it's whatever.

 

[Ohio]

Which one of you savages did this

 

[Pick6]

Which one of you savages did this

Disgusting.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Okay, my guess is that he had a bunch of dirt on the Browns in which most of the world really wasn't interested -- most of it just recycled stuff. Now that the Browns are getting noticed because things look to be going well, he figures he can dump all the dirt and get a bigger audience because more people around the country are finally noticing the Browns in a positive way.

!

I mean how can you blame him for this? It’s his job to generate site traffic. If there was little interest in the Browns before nationally I don’t blame him for not putting in the effort to write the piece

 

[Lee]

I think it's just due to the NBA being a completely different animal now with completely different players.

I think guys like Mark Price, Larry Bird, Brad Daughtery, Ron Harper, Charles Oakley, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, etc were not about that sort of thing.

It is what it is.

Anyways. Cleveland is a good market for the things you said. The only downside is the winter weather, but even then you know...you can have a winter home, so it's whatever.

No I 100% agree, all of those cavs players you mentioned lived in west akron/fairlawn which is where I grew up and I saw them out and about all the time.

The NBA has changed, but I don't even think most NFL players care that much about bad weather, they are a different breed than NBA players, and most MLB players either train in Florida/Arizona even before spring training or play winter ball in their home Spanish speaking country.

 

[JDailey23]

Disgusting.

Haha. Please

 

[Triple-S]

No I 100% agree, all of those cavs players you mentioned lived in west akron/fairlawn which is where I grew up and I saw them out and about all the time.

The NBA has changed, but I don't even think most NFL players care that much about bad weather, they are a different breed than NBA players, and most MLB players either train in Florida/Arizona even before spring training or play winter ball in their home Spanish speaking country.

Green Bay, Minnesota, etc can all land Free Agents.

Hell, there's a guy that came from Miami to Cleveland to play ball. And he wasn't a scrub. Jarvis had 3 pro bowls, and is heading to his 4th.

I think this is something the NBA has to address in the future. Markets like Indiana, Milwaukee, Oklahoma, Cleveland are more valuable than they seem to think they are.

It's part of the reason I have another level of disdain for Kevin Durant. That one dipshit trainer to LeBron and co. was tweeting about how everyone looked down on OKC. "HURR DURR ONLY THING IS THERE IS A SONICS OUT THERE" I guess was the general response to Durant and to an extent Paul George.

Which is fucking stupid. OKC has some insanely loyal, good fans there. It's also insanely cheap to live there and it's actually rather beautiful at times.

But yeah. It's why i'm sort of excited for the future of the Browns at least.

 

[dark2332]

Which is fucking stupid. OKC has some insanely loyal, good fans there.

You see, this is the problem.

We all love to take pride in being a loyal fanbase. And sure, players enjoy the fan support once they are on the team. However, it’s like me going to take a shit and enjoying the painting in the bathroom once I’m in there. Sure, it’s pleasant, but that’s not why I went there in the first place.

When it comes to being a free agent, the three questions are always: 1) Who is going to pay me the most? 2) Where can I win? and 3) Where would I want to be a 26 year old rich athlete?

I can assure you, no one gives a shit about the fans until later. The only people who talk about “fan support” during free agency are the fans.

The Browns are hot right now. But it’s not because of our fans. We had diehard fans the last 20 years and we sucked and couldn’t sign anybody. Nah. The Browns are a hot team because they are young and they look like they are building something special. That’s what players want to be a part of.

 

[Triple-S]

The Browns are hot right now. But it’s not because of our fans. We had diehard fans the last 20 years and we sucked and couldn’t sign anybody. Nah. The Browns are a hot team because they are young and they look like they are building something special. That’s what players want to be a part of.

Oh i don't deny that. I know it's irrelevant but I'm just saying from the NBA POV? It's very good to keep those markets up and running. Not so much for the players.

I'm excited about this offseason and it's not for the reason we generally have which is "Hey who are we taking a 3"