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[InBoobieWeTrust]

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You don't need to be great individual defenders when you're flanked by two guys that can cover so much ground....Personally, I think Chalmers will be the real guy to benefit from this... Chalmers, Wade and Bron will be a tough defensive trio IMO....

That plays into the hands of other teams though. Chalmers stinks.

Miami's best line-up, and best chance at a title is simply to put a line-up out there with insane length and size on the perimeter to compensate for bulk in the middle and use a zone/trapping scheme to fly around and disrupt other teams while being an unstoppable entity on offense with LeBron at the 1, Wade at the 2, Miller at the 3, Bosh at the 4, and Joel Anthony at the 5 and teach Anthony how to throw an outlet pass. That's their best shot, the Lakers can beat that into submission with a healthy Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Kobe/Artest line-up if everyone is healthy, and if not healthy they'll get bent over and rocked.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

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Another overlooked factor is the Spoelstra factor. The guy is like Mike Brown without the weird mastery of defensive x's and o's.

We all know Riley will eventually coach this Heat team, and I think he lets them crash and burn under Spoelstra in year 1 before he makes his move and really turns them into a dynasty.

He looks like even more of a genius than he already does and gets more credit than he deserves. Typical Pat Riley.

 

[Man Called X]

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That plays into the hands of other teams though. Chalmers stinks.

Miami's best line-up, and best chance at a title is simply to put a line-up out there with insane length and size on the perimeter to compensate for bulk in the middle and use a zone/trapping scheme to fly around and disrupt other teams while being an unstoppable entity on offense with LeBron at the 1, Wade at the 2, Miller at the 3, Bosh at the 4, and Joel Anthony at the 5 and teach Anthony how to throw an outlet pass. That's their best shot, the Lakers can beat that into submission with a healthy Bynum/Gasol/Odom/Kobe/Artest line-up if everyone is healthy, and if not healthy they'll get bent over and rocked.

Remove odom, replace with Matt Barnes.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

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Remove odom, replace with Matt Barnes.

Nah. If anything I'd replace with Steve Blake for floor spacing. Barnes does nothing for that line-up. I like the gigantic line-up with three good passers and three good finishers.

Force the match-up to get LeBron off of the perimeter and out of the "flying around help scheme" into having to guard Odom 1 on 1 because Mike Miller can't do it.

 

[Man Called X]

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Nah. If anything I'd replace with Steve Blake for floor spacing. Barnes does nothing for that line-up. I like the gigantic line-up with three good passers and three good finishers.

Force the match-up to get LeBron off of the perimeter and out of the "flying around help scheme" into having to guard Odom 1 on 1 because Mike Miller can't do it.

You didn't have Blake in that lineup. You were clearly going for a tall lineup to counteract the LBJ/Wade/Miller backcourt. I think Miller abuses Odom and it's a failure. You put Artest on LBJ, Kobe on DWade, and Barnes on Miller. I'll take the streaky shooting from Barnes, because I figure he puts Miller on his ass and out with a broken vagina.

 

[futuristxen]

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with a healthy Bynum

Haha. When was the last time he was healthy? He's out till December right now.

I agree with you on the Heat best lineup. With a slight modification:

Wade
Lebron
Miller
Bosh
Haslem

I think they can get away with Haslem at center because of his strength, so long as Lebron and Miller are helping rebound. I don't think the Lakers will be able to press the boards because they'll be scared of the transition game, so they'll have to send their guards back. So it will be Bynum/Gasol vs. Lebron/Miller/Bosh/Haslem on the boards. So long as Haslem blocks out Bynum, they should be good.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

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You didn't have Blake in that lineup. You were clearly going for a tall lineup to counteract the LBJ/Wade/Miller backcourt. I think Miller abuses Odom and it's a failure. You put Artest on LBJ, Kobe on DWade, and Barnes on Miller. I'll take the streaky shooting from Barnes, because I figure he puts Miller on his ass and out with a broken vagina.

Mike Miller is going to be the Anthony Parker of the Miami Heat offense, he's going to shoot threes. He is not talented enough to abuse anyone off the dribble, much less someone with Odom's skill-set. Which is why I would feel safe with Steven Blake guarding him. He's the catch and shoot guy for that team.

 

[johnnycake44022]

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Glad you like your team. And no, you're not the only person that sees it. I see the "potential" as well, but I believe size will beat the Heat and will partially negate their defensive strength on the perimeter. I guess we will find out this year.

 

[futuristxen]

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Mike Miller is going to be the Anthony Parker of the Miami Heat offense, he's going to shoot threes. He is not talented enough to abuse anyone off the dribble, much less someone with Odom's skill-set. Which is why I would feel safe with Steven Blake guarding him. He's the catch and shoot guy for that team.

Steve Blake is like 5 inches shorter than him. Do you remember what happened when Delonte West was guarding Rashard Lewis? And Delonte was actually a good defender.

You're also selling Mike Miller short. He's an excellent passer/playmaker. In addition to being able to shoot it. Look at his numbers last season. He rebounds, gets assists, hits 3s. He's a better fit for the Heat than Odom would be. He's the Toni Kukoc of the Heat.

 

[doughboy90650]

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The key to that team is the looks Mike Miller is going to get from the three range. Dude will get at least three wide open looks per game. And the scary thing is he can flat out shoot the ball.

 

[Zog]

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I don't see how Artest-Kobe-Odom-Gasol-Bynum beats James-Wade-Miller-Bosh-Haslem. No one except Kobe can shoot well enough on the Lakers, so the Heat can easily double team Bynum and Gasol and just clog the lane and force Artest and Odom to shoot three's (which they aren't good enough at doing to beat a team like the Heat). If you put Blake out there instead of Odom that helps things, but not greatly.

If Artest was in his prime that lineup could defend the Heat fine, but LeBron destroyed Artest last year.

Also you have to consider that Gasol and Bynum (and Odom) will likely be in foul trouble with LeBron and Wade driving all the time and getting calls. That may be the equalizer to any team with a size advantage on the Heat, Wade/James will just get the dominant big on the other team in foul trouble.

 

[Jon]

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You're also selling Mike Miller short. He's an excellent passer/playmaker. In addition to being able to shoot it. Look at his numbers last season. He rebounds, gets assists, hits 3s. He's a better fit for the Heat than Odom would be. He's the Toni Kukoc of the Heat.

Yep. Heck, his previous teams have had to encourage him to shoot more as opposed to setting up teammates. He has a solid all around game, and I'd compare him more to someone like Hedo Turkoglu - except Miller is much better shooter AND inside scorer. Plus he's versatile and can sub for Wade or LeBron if either of them go out for an extended period of time. If there's any part of his game to question, it's his defense and ability to stay healthy, but he has length and always seemed to give a good effort against the Cavs.

 

[Absinthe]

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Kobe says his knee is at 60% right now. It will not heal if he insists playing a lot like he always does. Artest looked downright terrible at times last year. Odom is always inconsistent. Adding Blake and Barnes isn't going to do anything for them. The only thing that pisses me off about the Lakers is that they have a cakewalk into the Finals. Not a single team can contend with them out West maybe besides Dallas. The Suns and Jazz are worse. Portland and Oklahoma are too young. Denver will be significantly worse if they lose Anthony. The Spurs are too old. Dallas looks to have depth, but their coach is a basket case. The Lakers will cruise to the Finals because the East is the elite conference now.

Artest nor Barnes can guard Lebron. I think Bosh and Gasol cancel one another out. I think Wade and Kobe cancel one another out. I'm telling you, Miami is going to be a tough team to beat because Lebron and Wade will live at the free throw line. I honestly think Boston has a better chance of beating Miami than LA.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

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Steve Blake is like 5 inches shorter than him. Do you remember what happened when Delonte West was guarding Rashard Lewis? And Delonte was actually a good defender.

You're also selling Mike Miller short. He's an excellent passer/playmaker. In addition to being able to shoot it. Look at his numbers last season. He rebounds, gets assists, hits 3s. He's a better fit for the Heat than Odom would be. He's the Toni Kukoc of the Heat.

I like Mike Miller, I really do, but I cannot take anyone who compares him to Rashard Lewis or Tony Kukoc seriously. Just not even worth discussing.

He is a smart player, but he's not good enough to consistently beat anyone off the dribble or abuse them in the post with a size advantage and he is far from a pillar of health himself.

 

[Spencer Hawes]

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If Odom, Gasol and Bynum are healthy and playing together, I don't see how Miami can counter the Lakers inside game.