Are the 2009 Orlando Magic the Godfathers of today’s modern offense?

[Kizzle]

We all remember what they did in that series. I really don’t remember a team running that offense before them.

Is that team ground zero for todays 3 pointer centric offense?

 

[Jscc]

Orlando did surround Howard with shooters, but Howard also did a lot of posting up or back-to-the-basket type scoring that wouldn't work in today's NBA.

I think the face-up/pick and roll heavy offense, pace and space, and volume three-point shooting style started with the D'Antoni Suns.

 

[Adam]

Orlando did surround Howard with shooters, but Howard also did a lot of posting up or back-to-the-basket type scoring that wouldn't work in today's NBA.

I think the face-up/pick and roll heavy offense, pace and space, and volume three-point shooting style started with the D'Antoni Suns.

It started with dantoni and also Morey in Houston when eFG started to be measured

 

[bigfoot5415]

I think its the "We Believe" Warriors. The trotted out two smallish guards and two 3pt shooting SFs. One big would go atleast move well enough to guard the perimeter and set screens.

 

[foucault87]

I think its the "We Believe" Warriors. The trotted out two smallish guards and two 3pt shooting SFs. One big would go atleast move well enough to guard the perimeter and set screens.

Don Nelson also played Mikael Pietrus at center. He went a little too wild on that

 

[cavsfever]

I think the origins started with the first person to realize that 3>2. I mean really realize it

 

[guitarguy]

Always seemed to me a bit of a powerball moment, where some scout or something was like..."look...we could keep trying to get these 50% shooters we can't afford, or....here me out, we just need folks who hit better than 33% from the 3 point line and have them double their attempts."

It's just a math problem that is super annoying that it was figured out now and there's no going back. They're going to have to change the point eventually, imo and probably eliminate corner 3s first, then move the line back more etc... The game can be super boring now a lot of times when it's just each team launching up 50 3 pointers.

 

[foucault87]

Hear me out...shrink the 3pt line. Automatic turnover for any post up or midrange shot. Free throws added to any paint attempt

 

[tn819]

It realistically started with Loyola Marymount teams of the 80s and grew with the Grinnell college basketball team in the Midwest taking matters to a logical extreme in the 90s. Eventually, an understanding of that statistical principle trickled down to other levels and leagues with alpha athletic types.

I still wonder if a team ran the Grinnell system at NBA level what might be possible. Sacramento hired assistant coach for their G league for a stint but there aren’t enough bodies and fitness demands are too high with a 15 man roster.

If NBA allowed 20 man roster, I’m convinced it would be a viable strategy.

 

[The Oi]

Why does everyone hate threes and dunks so much? Guys are well rounded now, even bigs. Especially bigs. Talent is deeper than ever.

When I go back and watch late 80s and 90s basketball where it was all mid range shooting guards and post-up centers, it was really clogged up basketball. It was not basketball in its final form. Then that stretch of late 90s- early 00s basketball led by AI, Kobe, Fat Shaq, Garnett was absolutely putrid.

Guys are starting to shoot mid-range again. And bigs are flashing some post game.

I think bball is great.

 

[macbdog]

It realistically started with Loyola Marymount teams of the 80s and grew with the Grinnell college basketball team in the Midwest taking matters to a logical extreme in the 90s. Eventually, an understanding of that statistical principle trickled down to other levels and leagues with alpha athletic types.

I still wonder if a team ran the Grinnell system at NBA level what might be possible. Sacramento hired assistant coach for their G league for a stint but there aren’t enough bodies and fitness demands are too high with a 15 man roster.

If NBA allowed 20 man roster, I’m convinced it would be a viable strategy.

What is the Grinnell system?

 

[southernflyer]

What is the Grinnell system?

 

[tn819]

What is the Grinnell system?

a d3 Basketball team that had a guy score 132 points and has the ncaa scoring record majority of last seasons… a coach from team was instituted by kings gm as an experiment on their g league team

 

[PIP]

What ?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Why does everyone hate threes and dunks so much? Guys are well rounded now, even bigs. Especially bigs. Talent is deeper than ever.

When I go back and watch late 80s and 90s basketball where it was all mid range shooting guards and post-up centers, it was really clogged up basketball. It was not basketball in its final form. Then that stretch of late 90s- early 00s basketball led by AI, Kobe, Fat Shaq, Garnett was absolutely putrid.

Guys are starting to shoot mid-range again. And bigs are flashing some post game.

I think bball is great.

But, there was a lot more posting up and better/more interior passing simply because there had to be.