Baker Mayfield: Fire The Cannons

[Jack Brickman]

Everyone is saying how much better of a person Mayfield is than Manziel. But the fact of the matter is nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors until it gets out. Saying Mayfield is an angel next to Manziel is just baseless, the kid Hasn't stepped foot into the real world yet.

Also someone said Mayfield is taller than Manziel. One fucking inch. Get out of here.

Manziel was an alcoholic and drug addict who showed up to practice drunk, had no work ethic, and wanted to be famous more than he wanted to play football.

Mayfield got drunk during the offseason. He's also an overwhelmingly better prospect than Manziel and anyone, even guys who hate Mayfield, should be able to admit that.

They are not even remotely comparable as people or prospects. I don't think Mayfield was the best QB in this draft, but the Manziel comparisons are as lazy as comparing Jackson to every other black QB in the game.

 

[godfather]

How did we go from 90% of the board wanting nothing to do with him, to suddenly at least 60% of the board suddenly saying "hey eating lead ain't so bad"?

Still remember people talking up Jabrill Peppers a year ago... After being selected. Jesus, if you liked the guy before hand, fine by me. But suddenly all these out of the woodwork, Baker believers. Gimme a fucking break already.

I get wanting to be optimistic. But, it's like the guy that continues to waste thousands of dollars on lottery tickets each week, thinking maybe this time he'll actually get lucky.

 

[Triple-S]

How did we go from 90% of the board wanting nothing to do with him, to suddenly at least 60% of the board suddenly saying "hey eating lead ain't so bad"?

Still remember people talking up Jabrill Peppers a year ago... I get wanting to be optimistic. But, it's like the guy that continues to waste thousands of dollars on lottery tickets each week, thinking maybe this time he'll actually get lucky.

He's our guy now. For better or worse.

What else do we have but to be optimistic and supportive?

 

[MirORich]

How did we go from 90% of the board wanting nothing to do with him, to suddenly at least 60% of the board suddenly saying "hey eating lead ain't so bad"?

Still remember people talking up Jabrill Peppers a year ago... After being selected. Jesus, if you liked the guy before hand, fine by me. But suddenly all these out of the woodwork, Baker believers. Gimme a fucking break already.

I get wanting to be optimistic. But, it's like the guy that continues to waste thousands of dollars on lottery tickets each week, thinking maybe this time he'll actually get lucky.

There is nothing about Darnold and Rosen that makes me think they are any less of a risk at 1 than Mayfield.

Rosen had horrible results under pressure

Darnold overall had way too many TO’s

They both may turn out good but neither were can’t miss, must take at 1 guys.

I get that everyone had personal preferences or even just what they had gotten comfortable with based on early mocks, but I do not see why anyone would be shocked or appalled at the selection of Mayfield when Darnold or Rosen were not perfect prospects without question marks or concerns as well.

 

[Jack Brickman]

How did we go from 90% of the board wanting nothing to do with him, to suddenly at least 60% of the board suddenly saying "hey eating lead ain't so bad"?

Because we're fans of the team, and as such we hope that anyone drafted by the team pans out and is awesome.

Is this really so hard to comprehend? Regardless of how any of us feel about Mayfield, I'd like to think that any true fan hopes that he succeeds here and turns the Browns around. If you don't feel that way, you're not a true fan and just want him to fail so you can say, "I told you so."

I'm on record here as liking Rosen best. I stand by that, although I can't be certain he wasn't flagged for injury reasons or something else we're not aware of. Regardless, the Browns drafted Mayfield, and I'm going to fucking root for the guy and hope that he's the player that I think he can be.

Do I think he was the best choice at number one? No. I just said I preferred Rosen. Do I think he was the worst choice at number one? Of course not. The Bills fucking moved up to draft Josh Allen.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

There is nothing about Darnold and Rosen that makes me think they are any less of a risk at 1 than Mayfield.

Rosen had horrible results under pressure

Darnold overall had way too many TO’s

They both may turn out good but neither were can’t miss, must take at 1 guys.

I get that everyone had personal preferences or even just what they had gotten comfortable with based on early mocks, but I do not see why anyone would be shocked or appalled at the selection of Mayfield when Darnold or Rosen were not perfect prospects without question marks or concerns as well.

Godfathers entire point was why weren’t you saying this before today

 

[Jack Brickman]

Godfathers entire point was why weren’t you saying this before today

Well, today Baker Mayfield is a Cleveland Brown, so now we have a legitimate reason to root for him to succeed and, if you're a real fan of the team, which you probably are if you're still watching them after twenty years of suck, I'd like to think you're rooting for him as well.

Based on our recent experiences with Coleman and Peppers, though, I get the sense that a lot of Browns "fans" would rather see guys fail so they can say they were right about them than watch them succeed.

 

[Sebastian]

How did we go from 90% of the board wanting nothing to do with him, to suddenly at least 60% of the board suddenly saying "hey eating lead ain't so bad"?

Still remember people talking up Jabrill Peppers a year ago... After being selected. Jesus, if you liked the guy before hand, fine by me. But suddenly all these out of the woodwork, Baker believers. Gimme a fucking break already.

I get wanting to be optimistic. But, it's like the guy that continues to waste thousands of dollars on lottery tickets each week, thinking maybe this time he'll actually get lucky.

I think many people get zeroed-in on their guy, like Darnold or Rosen, or our friend MidwestCav and noted Josh "Just Jokin' Racist" Allen, and don't actually do too much homework on the guys they don't like.

Or they downplay traits because they are too busy supporting their favored pick. Confirmation bias if you will.

The pick may have compelled a lot of people to do more in-depth research into Mayfield.

I for one tended to ignore Mayfield's positives in favor of his negatives. The pick has forced me to be more objective.

 

[Triple-S]

Godfathers entire point was why weren’t you saying this before today

Because no one outside of various NFL front offices were considering this as a possibility.

The discussion was primarily Darnold and Rosen, with the occasional discussions of Allen sneaking in. Mayfield really didn't pop up again until very recently.

No one thought "oh that 6 foot qb with the ego the size of the state of oklahoma? who plays against big XII defenses? Yep. that's our guy! That's the guy we're drafting!"

....No one but...Dorsey and the people in his front office who were drooling over the guy while we were arguing about which socal qb would be best to take at 1.

Again. I thought he'd be a Jet. They were going to go full in at 3, draft him and go with it.

So it's just trying to piece together this whole thing because a lot of us were thinking Darnold.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Well, today Baker Mayfield is a Cleveland Brown, so now we have a legitimate reason to root for him to succeed and, if you're a real fan of the team, which you probably are if you're still watching them after twenty years of suck, I'd like to think you're rooting for him as well.

Based on our recent experiences with Coleman and Peppers, though, I get the sense that a lot of Browns "fans" would rather see guys fail so they can say they were right about them than watch them succeed.

There’s a difference between supporting and rooting for a guy and objectively thinking it was a good pick

I hope Darnold, Allen, and Rosen all massively bust while Mayfield is the best QB in the NFL

Doesn’t change the fact that that’s not what I think will happen.

What godfather was talking about was people acting like they’ve always thought that Baker was right there with the rest of them the whole time when that wasn’t at all the tone of mosT

 

[MirORich]

Godfathers entire point was why weren’t you saying this before today

I don’t post in Browns threads as much as Cavs threads on this site but me personally, I’ve always maintained that I had a comfort level, as well as a concern level with all three of the guys I saw as draftable at one(Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen)

I can’t speak for others.

The annoying thing is, unless something goes wrong with Taylor, nothing is going to happen before September of 2019 that will legitimately change anyone’s stance. And it would have been that way regardless of which of the three we drafted.

 

[Real Deal]

There's people out there shitting on this kid for playing in the Big 12, guess what?

He obliterated a #2 Big 10 team at their own crib.

Fuck outta here man. Come up with other shit.


16-17 230 and 3 TDs just in the 2nd half vs a big league defense

That play at 5:56 isn't luck by the way

Enough as it pains me to re-live that, but it slowly eases knowing we have that killer now. He's going to earn each and every one of your respect.

 

[Tubs023]

He's our guy now. For better or worse.

What else do we have but to be optimistic and supportive?

This is why bad organizations stay bad. Love the Browns but I haven't given them a dime of my money since the 90's. Never wish for any player or the organization to perform poorly however when we see as fans they constantly make one mistake after another and then chalk it up as an oh well is shame on the fans.

 

[Sebastian]

This is why bad organizations stay bad. Love the Browns but I haven't given them a dime of my money since the 90's. Never wish for any player or the organization to perform poorly however when we see as fans they constantly make one mistake after another and then chalk it up as an oh well is shame on the fans.

Give the man a chance.

The Browns have Taylor. He has time to learn as the rest of the team, starts to kick ass.

If they do what I think they'll do tomorrow, the D will be elite.

 

[Sebastian]

There's people out there shitting on this kid for playing in the Big 12, guess what?

He obliterated a #2 Big 10 team at their own crib.

Fuck outta here man. Come up with other shit.


16-17 230 and 3 TDs just in the 2nd half vs a big league defense

That play at 5:56 isn't luck by the way

Enough as it pains me to re-live that, but it slowly eases knowing we have that killer now. He's going to earn each and every one of your respect.

This game is not a great example of his work. A layman asks:

Does he always play out of shotgun?

Does he ever throw deep? Does he have a vertical passing game?

80% of his passes are 10 yards or less. He relied heavily on YAC in this game.

He has happy feet and is too quick to abandon the pocket.