Big 10 Is A Joke

[The Voice]

Ohio, 6 losses, to Holy Cross, Temple, Kansas, St. Mary's, Akron, and BGU. One loss against a good team.

Yeah, you neglect to mention the wins against New Mexico State and Maryland (Who beat UNC).

At least Ohio University managed to win their first game, unlike OSU.

 

[crazedcav333]

If you really think OU would beat Kosta Foufos, Jamar Butler and Jon Diebler you're kidding yourselves. This team lost 5 of their top 6 scorers from last season and are still a respectable team in the Big 10, with teams like Illini, Wisc, Indiana and MSU.

On a national scale, the MAC is nothing. Kent State is the only school with any real talent, and while I do root for the Golden Flashes (before you start calling me fair weather for the MAC, I'm most likely headed there) they aren't a threat.

I've known six guys who liked OU, and have had 6 very similar conversations...

OH

 

[Mac]

Akron won 25 games last year and is having another very good year. Toledo is another good program.

Ohio is year in and year out a very solid program. Miami of Ohio is another very good program.

The MAC is more than nothing and saying that shows you really don't know much about college basketball.

Miami beat Xavier and Miss St
BG beat Cinci
Ohio beat Maryland, St Johns
Michigan got creamed by Central Michigan

The MAC is a damn good conference. One of the best mid-major conferences out there. Had it not been for Oden and Conley going to OSU, nobody would be talking about Ohio State basketball because it hasn't been nothing since Redd and Penn. Before last year, they haven't made it past the second round since 1999. Something Kent State has done more times than OSU.

OSU had a nice little run last year, but please don't start talking like they are a basketball power because they aren't and haven't been since the 1960's. Just because Oden decided to rent Columbus for a year does not make them a good basketball school. Because the last twenty years, Kent State has had more success minus the title game last year, than OSU has since 1990.

 

[crazedcav333]

If you really think OU would beat Kosta Foufos, Jamar Butler and Jon Diebler you're kidding yourselves. This team lost 5 of their top 6 scorers from last season and are still a respectable team in the Big 10, with teams like Illini, Wisc, Indiana and MSU.

On a national scale, the MAC is nothing. Kent State is the only school with any real talent, and while I do root for the Golden Flashes (before you start calling me fair weather for the MAC, I'm most likely headed there) they aren't a threat.

I've known six guys who liked OU, and have had 6 very similar conversations...

OH

Mac you’re so dumb. How many times are you going to take some little statement and turn it into something it’s not, and say, “This shows you know nothing about sports.” How many times are you going to try to expose me? Because it hasn’t worked yet, and if you’re going to keep trying, I can guarantee you’ll have headaches.

Read da post. READ DA POST. I said they aren’t great ON A NATIONAL SCALE….

Remind me, since I know nothing about college basketball. What seed did Akron get in the NCAA tournament? Oh that's right, they didn't go. And if they hadn't gotten (probably) robbed, they wouldn't have broken the top 60 anyway, and would have been bounced in the first round without a problem.

The MAC is a damn good conference. One of the best mid-major conferences out there. Had it not been for Oden and Conley going to OSU, nobody would be talking about Ohio State basketball because it hasn't been nothing since Redd and Penn. Before last year, they haven't made it past the second round since 1999. Something Kent State has done more times than OSU.

THAT'S WHY I SAID KENT STATE IS THE ONLY SCHOOL WITH ANY REAL TALENT!!! But let's face it, they will never be a national powerhouse. Ohio State has four 4 star recruits coming in, along with Koufos and Diebler (Koufos will most likely leave, along with Butler this season). You know its happening; you just don't want to believe it.

And what does, "If Oden and Conley hadn't gone..." Yeah, if they hadn't gone we wouldn't have made the Final Four. But they did...what if Quinn never went to ND? Or Melo never went to Syracuse? What if Jordan hadn't played for the Bulls? What if Namath never played for the Jets? What if LeBron had decided to go to college? It doesn't matter....they did...they were Ohio State basketball for 2007...so what's your point?

Ohio State is slowly turning into a two sport school, and everyone who knows college basketball knows this. You just refuse to accept it. Not this year, no. Not one team in the nation could be nationally competitive after losing pretty much 90% of their offense. We are doing just what Florida is doing...rebuilding...and it's happening fast.Thad Matta is a fantastic recruiter, and is turning into the basketball version of Jim Tressel.

And oh I forgot to mention...I watched Toledo and Akron play three times last year...bet ya didn’t know that. I drove two and a half hours – to watch them play at Toledo. ON A NATIONAL SCALE, they are not a threat.. I feel bad I have to cap everything so you can understand it. Toledo is nothing, don't even start with them. No real talent there. Akron's had a couple of guys that will sniff the D-leagues, but that's it.

That's right, they are a great MID-Major conference...not major. I'm going there accepting there won't be any national title runs, maybe a great upset and a MAC title every year. Nothing more.

If you were in the know, you would have realized what's been happening the past three years down in Columbus.

Mac you've said "If you knew anything about..." probably three of four times, and every time I've proven you wrong. You bring out the worst in me, but that's ok. It feels good getting challenged every now and then. You just don't know how to have a sports conversation without making it personal. LBJ and ericsnowwbnba...had it right. What are you trying to prove, by trying these little stunts every now and then?

Really. If I'm wrong, which you think I am. What chance does Akron have against UNC? What chance does Ohio have against Memphis? What chance does Toledo have against either of them? What chance does BG have against Duke? NONE. In fact, what chance does Ohio State have against those teams? Not much if any at all. Do you think so?

Once again you prove your ignorance while trying to bring someone else down.

 

[Mac]

Mac you’re so dumb. How many times are you going to take some little statement and turn it into something it’s not, and say, “This shows you know nothing about sports.” How many times are you going to try to expose me? Because it hasn’t worked yet, and if you’re going to keep trying, I can guarantee you’ll have headaches.

Read da post. READ DA POST. I said they aren’t great ON A NATIONAL SCALE….

Remind me, since I know nothing about college basketball. What seed did Akron get in the NCAA tournament? Oh that's right, they didn't go. And if they hadn't gotten (probably) robbed, they wouldn't have broken the top 60 anyway, and would have been bounced in the first round without a problem.




THAT'S WHY I SAID KENT STATE IS THE ONLY SCHOOL WITH ANY REAL TALENT!!! But let's face it, they will never be a national powerhouse. Ohio State has four 4 star recruits coming in, along with Koufos and Diebler (Koufos will most likely leave, along with Butler this season). You know its happening; you just don't want to believe it.

And what does, "If Oden and Conley hadn't gone..." Yeah, if they hadn't gone we wouldn't have made the Final Four. But they did...what if Quinn never went to ND? Or Melo never went to Syracuse? What if Jordan hadn't played for the Bulls? What if Namath never played for the Jets? What if LeBron had decided to go to college? It doesn't matter....they did...they were Ohio State basketball for 2007...so what's your point?

Ohio State is slowly turning into a two sport school, and everyone who knows college basketball knows this. You just refuse to accept it. Not this year, no. Not one team in the nation could be nationally competitive after losing pretty much 90% of their offense. We are doing just what Florida is doing...rebuilding...and it's happening fast.Thad Matta is a fantastic recruiter, and is turning into the basketball version of Jim Tressel.

And oh I forgot to mention...I watched Toledo and Akron play three times last year...bet ya didn’t know that. I drove two and a half hours – to watch them play at Toledo. ON A NATIONAL SCALE, they are not a threat.. I feel bad I have to cap everything so you can understand it. Toledo is nothing, don't even start with them. No real talent there. Akron's had a couple of guys that will sniff the D-leagues, but that's it.

That's right, they are a great MID-Major conference...not major. I'm going there accepting there won't be any national title runs, maybe a great upset and a MAC title every year. Nothing more.

If you were in the know, you would have realized what's been happening the past three years down in Columbus.

Mac you've said "If you knew anything about..." probably three of four times, and every time I've proven you wrong. You bring out the worst in me, but that's ok. It feels good getting challenged every now and then. You just don't know how to have a sports conversation without making it personal. LBJ and ericsnowwbnba...had it right. What are you trying to prove, by trying these little stunts every now and then?

Really. If I'm wrong, which you think I am. What chance does Akron have against UNC? What chance does Ohio have against Memphis? What chance does Toledo have against either of them? What chance does BG have against Duke? NONE. In fact, what chance does Ohio State have against those teams? Not much if any at all. Do you think so?

Once again you prove your ignorance while trying to bring someone else down.

You mentioned Kent State, I saw that, I mentioned other teams in the conference. Kent State is having an ok year this year, but there are other teams in the conference that are just as good, if not better, year in and year out.

On a national scale, the MAC is a very good conference. Mid major or not, they are a big conference on the national scale. They aren't the ACC, Pac Ten, or Big 12 obviously, but they are in that next tier with the Conference USA and the likes.

Quinn spent four years at Notre Dame, Jordan a career with Chicago, you are comparing apples to oranges. Your argument doesnt hold any water. OSU being a basketball school had nothing to do with Oden and Conley's decision. They wanted to rent a school for a year where they would be both star and be the main attraction and have a coach let them because the team isn't set, there is no history and there are no restraints. They couldnt do that at a Duke for instance. It's the same thing Mayo is doing with USC, he is just renting a place for a year to get into the L.

What I am saying is their rental does not make them a good school, a team that is on the rise, or a school that is potentially doing something. It was a nice run, it was good for Ohio, and it was a nice touch for OSU to get that exposure, but that is not going to make them a contender or a top school year in and year out. Look at them this year, they are having a medicore year. I have nothing against OSU basketball, I am a big fan of their soccer program and my only real beef is with their arrogant ass football fans. So dont take it as me all against OSU because that is not the case.

Thad Matta is a great coach, I loved what he did at Xavier, that is a great program he had there. He has the potential to build something at OSU because they have deep pockets and they want success. But, I can't see them being a year in and year out better program than Illinois, Michigan State, Indiana and Wisconsin.

Maybe we just disagree on what we opinion as national scale. I happen to think the MAC is on a national scale. Miami advanced to the second round and should have had two teams in the tourney. This isn't the SWAC or Southern conference. The MAC generally makes noise every year and they are known on a national level, thus making them on a national scale to me.

You feel OSU is building. I disagree. I think they are a middle of the pack Big Ten team and that's probably their peak. Just my opinion. I feel the MAC is on a higher level on a national scale than you do, just my opinion. There really aren't any facts to make a case with this, just opinions so Ill leave it at that. We agree to disagree.

 

[James]

right now, osu will be lucky to get in the tourny. they have lost to every ranked team they have played an dhave 5 more games against strong ranked opponents, they might be a "young team" but that kufous guy is gone in a year.

 

[BlueSeats626]

They beat Syracuse who was ranked at the time, they'll need a few wins against Indiana, MSU, or Wisky.

Koufos is staying for next season. OSU is built for next year.

 

[crazedcav333]

THERE WE GO MAC!

Maybe...I thought OSU was on the downslide until I saw the recruiting Matta has done, very impressive. Will we ever have the success from year to year football has had? Probably not. The highest we can expect is a team, like Wisconsin or Michigan State, that has a title run every 3 or 4 years.

I also brought up Melo. And while yes OSU was just "rented" by Oden and Conley, they were still Ohio State basketball for that year. Reasons may change but they still wore the scarlet and grey.

OSU's one good win was against Syracuse. We seem like a team that nevers gets blown out (except UNC). We're always there at the end, but the fact of the matter is when you lose five of your top six guys, the 4th quarter composure is just not there. Guys are freaking out in crunch time, because only Jamar Butler has any big game experience. I really think OSU is a team that could get hot, get some composure and do some damage in the tourny.

Elite eight or Final Four? No chance. I'm expecting us to get better with more maturity and chemisty throughout the season, but lose in the in the second round. Maybe we get hot and make it to the sweet 16, but that's the farthest this team can go on talent alone.

WAHOO. After rechecking it, Thad Matta has two ***** star recruits, not four. SG Will Buford and C B.J. Mullins. If Koufos stays (highly unlikely) a lineup top 6 of Hill, Diebler, Buford, Turner, Mullins and Koufos would contend for tops in the Big 10 since Nitzel is leaving. Without Koufos, we're probably behind Indiana even with a lot of their guys jumping ship.

Watch out for Diebler. He's the one guy I am watching closely - he's got a lot of moxy, confidence, he wants the ball in crunch time, and he's a great outside shooter, one of the best pure talents in the country. He could be GREAT. Side note, he played the HS state final four with his nose broken in three places, and even took the mask off and took a charge in the final game...that's tough.

 

[Mac]

Deibler is a lot better than what I thought he would be. Coming from such a small division school, I really thought he was reaching when he went to OSU. I know we had a pretty good debate about him last year. Nice surprise there for the Bucks.

 

[cavincali]

The MAC is a damn good conference. One of the best mid-major conferences out there. Had it not been for Oden and Conley going to OSU, nobody would be talking about Ohio State basketball because it hasn't been nothing since Redd and Penn. Before last year, they haven't made it past the second round since 1999. Something Kent State has done more times than OSU.

They were a 2 seed in Thad's first year, but they blew it in a home game against g-twon.

 

[BlueSeats626]

I really don't think Koufos is going to go. I can't see him being a lottery pick or possibly even a first rounder right now. He would be a major project. NBA teams probably aren't too interested in a 7 footer with absolutly no post game and who is rather scared to play with his back to the basket. He gets outrebounded by more athletic guys alot too. He would be a rag doll in the NBA right now.

Evan Turner has been the best player out of this draft class. Diebler has been awful.

If Koufos stays, OSU and Purdue will be the top of the B10 next year. Purdue's freshman class is by far the best in the B10.

 

[cavincali]

Dofus is a perfect replacement for big Z. Z could teach him the post moves and all would be good.

 

[crazedcav333]

Awful? I don't think you can label him that. He's dipped down maybe, but when he's forced to take shots he shouldn't simply due to no one else having any confidence or composure not named Jamar Butler, he has stepped up and taken those shots.

He's got a lot of the tools to be a great college and NBA player - the blue prints look really good, he just has to grow.

 

[The Voice]

THAT'S WHY I SAID KENT STATE IS THE ONLY SCHOOL WITH ANY REAL TALENT!!! But let's face it, they will never be a national powerhouse. Ohio State has four 4 star recruits coming in, along with Koufos and Diebler (Koufos will most likely leave, along with Butler this season). You know its happening; you just don't want to believe it.

Kent State lost to Ohio University 71-59...

PS: Findlay (Exh.) - Columbus, Ohio 7:00 p.m. 68 - 70 (L)

COLUMBUS, Ohio — The Ohio State men’s basketball team was edged by in-state foe Findlay by a score of 70-68 Tuesday in its final exhibition game before officially opening up the 2007-08 schedule. In a closely battled game at Value City Arena, the Buckeyes were led offensively by senior Jamar Butler with 22 points and freshman Kosta Koufos with 20 points, including 16 in the second half.

Butler kept the Buckeyes in the game early making three of his first four shots from beyond the arc in the first half. The Buckeyes closed the first half on a 16-5 run over the final 5:15 to cut a 30-17 Findlay advantage. Ohio State trailed 35-33 at the break behind Butler’s 11 points.

Koufos, a 7-foot center from Canton, Ohio, scored Ohio State’s opening basket in both exhibition games. He tallied 15 points and 12 rebounds in the opener vs. Ashland and followed that effort with 20 points and a team-high seven boards against Findlay.

Koufos scored 14 of Ohio State’s 21 points during a decisive second half run that kept the Buckeyes within striking distance of the hot-shooting Oilers. Findlay continued nailing the 3-pointers, including three in the last 10 minutes of the game to maintain its lead. Ohio State cut the lead to three on a trey by Butler with 1:52 remaining in regulation and he hit a free throw to bring the Buckeyes within two, but they were unable to regain position as the final seconds ticked off.

For the game, Findlay shot 10-of-24 from beyond the arc and had three players with double-digit points, led by Marcus Parker with 18.

Ohio State opens the regular season Nov. 12-13 in the Dick’s Sporting Goods NIT Season Tip-Off at Value City Arena. The Buckeyes take on Wisconsin-Green Bay at 9 p.m. Nov. 12 on ESPN2. The event opener pits Columbia and Delaware State at 6 p.m. The winners and losers from day one face off Nov. 13. The team with two victories advances to Madison Square Garden in New York in the NIT semifinals Nov. 21. The title game will be played Nov. 23.

 

[crazedcav333]

Kent State lost to Ohio University 71-59...

PS: Findlay (Exh.) - Columbus, Ohio 7:00 p.m. 68 - 70 (L)

COLUMBUS, Ohio — The Ohio State men’s basketball team was edged by in-state foe Findlay by a score of 70-68 Tuesday in its final exhibition game before officially opening up the 2007-08 schedule. In a closely battled game at Value City Arena, the Buckeyes were led offensively by senior Jamar Butler with 22 points and freshman Kosta Koufos with 20 points, including 16 in the second half.

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