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Brandon Weeden: GTFO!!
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
That's true, you've never been lucky enough to enjoy too many 3-4 win seasons in a decade or so.
Christmas may have come early for you this year.
That's true, you've never been lucky enough to enjoy too many 3-4 win seasons in a decade or so.
Christmas may have come early for you this year.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Not sure why you have to get the attitude if someone disagrees with your line of thinking..
I never once said it was any sort of reason to throw a parade or be excited.
However, without 1 of our top 2 defensive players & our ONLY deep threat offensively, I surely wasn't expecting to see this team in mid-season form right from the outset.
Never said it was all the WR fault, his throws were far from perfect. However, how long have we seen WR tip or drop passes that hit off their hands now? Frankly, I'm sick of it.
And it's tough to blame Weeden for the calls to throw a jumpball to a 5'10 Benjamin...
As I said, Gordon was missed more than most here would like to admit.
In no way am I saying Weeden was impressive or even average, but this is a tough game to judge him on. Our line was 1999 bad today, it was brutal. There were times when he didn't even get a chance to look at his 1st read & there was a defender in his face.
Not sure why you have to get the attitude if someone disagrees with your line of thinking..
I never once said it was any sort of reason to throw a parade or be excited.
However, without 1 of our top 2 defensive players & our ONLY deep threat offensively, I surely wasn't expecting to see this team in mid-season form right from the outset.
Never said it was all the WR fault, his throws were far from perfect. However, how long have we seen WR tip or drop passes that hit off their hands now? Frankly, I'm sick of it.
And it's tough to blame Weeden for the calls to throw a jumpball to a 5'10 Benjamin...
As I said, Gordon was missed more than most here would like to admit.
In no way am I saying Weeden was impressive or even average, but this is a tough game to judge him on. Our line was 1999 bad today, it was brutal. There were times when he didn't even get a chance to look at his 1st read & there was a defender in his face.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Problem with the Browns is that they set themselves up for RG3 and goofed that up. Even when they get in position to get a QB, they find a way to screw themselves.
Why? Because this organization has been terrible from highest levels on down.
Problem with the Browns is that they set themselves up for RG3 and goofed that up. Even when they get in position to get a QB, they find a way to screw themselves.
Why? Because this organization has been terrible from highest levels on down.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
I am sorry, Mo. I know you're trying to have some perspective. But he just sucks. Bottom line. Wide receivers, running game, and blocking can't fix terrible footwork, erratic decision making, inaccurate throws, and terrible field recognition.
There's nothing to be encouraged with Weeden being the QB going forward. I don't care how bad, or how good the talent around him is. He's just BAD period!
I am sorry, Mo. I know you're trying to have some perspective. But he just sucks. Bottom line. Wide receivers, running game, and blocking can't fix terrible footwork, erratic decision making, inaccurate throws, and terrible field recognition.
There's nothing to be encouraged with Weeden being the QB going forward. I don't care how bad, or how good the talent around him is. He's just BAD period!
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Here's some perspective for those of you blaming Weeden for everything yesterday: <a href="http://t.co/gGR1EHgG1n">pic.twitter.com/gGR1EHgG1n</a></p>— ClevelandStrikesBack (@ClevStrikesBack) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClevStrikesBack/statuses/377146847778701312">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Here's some perspective for those of you blaming Weeden for everything yesterday: <a href="http://t.co/gGR1EHgG1n">pic.twitter.com/gGR1EHgG1n</a></p>— ClevelandStrikesBack (@ClevStrikesBack) <a href="https://twitter.com/ClevStrikesBack/statuses/377146847778701312">September 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Well, what do we expect?
He's going to get blitzed until he proves to teams that he can beat them with his arm.
They're going to continue blitzing 5-6 guys until that changes, and the offensive line can only do so much although I agree completely they need to do a better job than they did yesterday.
Are we really giving him a pass for playing like shit under pressure? There is a reason he was blitzed on nearly half of his dropbacks, compare that number to someone like Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, ect (to say nothing of truly elite QBs like Manning).
Well, what do we expect?
He's going to get blitzed until he proves to teams that he can beat them with his arm.
They're going to continue blitzing 5-6 guys until that changes, and the offensive line can only do so much although I agree completely they need to do a better job than they did yesterday.
Are we really giving him a pass for playing like shit under pressure? There is a reason he was blitzed on nearly half of his dropbacks, compare that number to someone like Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, ect (to say nothing of truly elite QBs like Manning).
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
I don't get how that's a good thing at all! In fact, that just speaks more why Weeden blows. Last year they listed a stat on Brady, when he's being blitz. Something like 20 touchdowns, and zero picks. Some absurd stat like that which speaks to how good he is, compared to a shitty QB like Weeden.
This is THE NFL! He's going to get blitzed, he's going to be under pressure. Any QB in this league is going to look half way decent, when they not under pressure. And often is that? That's not going to happen every single snap. I don't care what kind of line you got. Every QB gets pressure put on them. He can't handle it at all. He much like Colt McCoy get happy feet, and start dancing around the pocket.
Some times Weeden really is more to blame than the line. Not every single play where he's under pressure, is a result of bad blocking. It's the result of slow processing by the QB, that can't get through his progressions quickly. YES, we do have some blocking issues. But more importantly we got poor QB play issues!
Blaming Weeden's gotten nothing to do with it. Acknowledging he's not the guy going forward does. He will not be the starter next year, and rightfully so.
I don't get how that's a good thing at all! In fact, that just speaks more why Weeden blows. Last year they listed a stat on Brady, when he's being blitz. Something like 20 touchdowns, and zero picks. Some absurd stat like that which speaks to how good he is, compared to a shitty QB like Weeden.
This is THE NFL! He's going to get blitzed, he's going to be under pressure. Any QB in this league is going to look half way decent, when they not under pressure. And often is that? That's not going to happen every single snap. I don't care what kind of line you got. Every QB gets pressure put on them. He can't handle it at all. He much like Colt McCoy get happy feet, and start dancing around the pocket.
Some times Weeden really is more to blame than the line. Not every single play where he's under pressure, is a result of bad blocking. It's the result of slow processing by the QB, that can't get through his progressions quickly. YES, we do have some blocking issues. But more importantly we got poor QB play issues!
Blaming Weeden's gotten nothing to do with it. Acknowledging he's not the guy going forward does. He will not be the starter next year, and rightfully so.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
I don't disagree that Weeden is awful when pressured and it's a major problem, but he was pressured literally half the time yesterday. It's hard to go through your progressions and get the ball out quick when A) your receivers can't get separation and B) you're looking over your shoulder because there's 50% chance someone's about to be in your face in 1-2 seconds after you get the ball. Absolutely everyone has to step it up.
Another thing. On the the Bull&Fox, they said something that I completely agree with. If they're going continue to trot out Cousins, they have to get a real blocking FB. Obi just isn't big or strong enough to take on these big DE's and OLB. He got absolutely destroyed by Cameron Wake. The need someone to help in the run game and help TRich too.
I don't disagree that Weeden is awful when pressured and it's a major problem, but he was pressured literally half the time yesterday. It's hard to go through your progressions and get the ball out quick when A) your receivers can't get separation and B) you're looking over your shoulder because there's 50% chance someone's about to be in your face in 1-2 seconds after you get the ball. Absolutely everyone has to step it up.
Another thing. On the the Bull&Fox, they said something that I completely agree with. If they're going continue to trot out Cousins, they have to get a real blocking FB. Obi just isn't big or strong enough to take on these big DE's and OLB. He got absolutely destroyed by Cameron Wake. The need someone to help in the run game and help TRich too.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Those stats under pressure are ridiculous. So all we need to do it make sure no one blitzes and then he's a really good QB.
In order to win games if this continues, Norv will have to draw up plays where Weeden gets rid of the ball quickly. Yesterday, Alex Smith for the Chiefs averaged 2 seconds per drop back. Norv will have to draw up those kinds of plays to hide Weeden.
Those stats under pressure are ridiculous. So all we need to do it make sure no one blitzes and then he's a really good QB.
In order to win games if this continues, Norv will have to draw up plays where Weeden gets rid of the ball quickly. Yesterday, Alex Smith for the Chiefs averaged 2 seconds per drop back. Norv will have to draw up those kinds of plays to hide Weeden.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
theres a difference between pressur and blitzing. Weedon seemed to do well recognizing the blitz and throwing at a 50 clip on 25 plays.
plays under pressure mean that he was in danger of being sacked and that was 30 pass plays out of 53 passing attempts.
just to put it under prospective the average quarterback is pressured 8-15 times a game. 25-35% of the time. Weedons line failed him fifty percent of the time. I am not sure why one is expecting weedon to through fifty times a game. 13 total rushing attempts puts even more pressure on the quarterback.
One thing I do not like about the "under pressure" or other play type splits for quarterbacks is that the analyst who have access to the information go by total numbers for different categories and not percentages.
Weedons under pressure stats dont jive with his blitzed stats.
theres a difference between pressur and blitzing. Weedon seemed to do well recognizing the blitz and throwing at a 50 clip on 25 plays.
plays under pressure mean that he was in danger of being sacked and that was 30 pass plays out of 53 passing attempts.
just to put it under prospective the average quarterback is pressured 8-15 times a game. 25-35% of the time. Weedons line failed him fifty percent of the time. I am not sure why one is expecting weedon to through fifty times a game. 13 total rushing attempts puts even more pressure on the quarterback.
One thing I do not like about the "under pressure" or other play type splits for quarterbacks is that the analyst who have access to the information go by total numbers for different categories and not percentages.
Weedons under pressure stats dont jive with his blitzed stats.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
The guy was hurried something like 21 times and knocked down 17.... Thank Oniel Cousins for that.
The guy was hurried something like 21 times and knocked down 17.... Thank Oniel Cousins for that.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
The blocking was far from good. But Weeden did this a lot last year, and even when the blocking held up fine. And a lot times he still anticipates pressure coming, instead of standing tall in the pocket, and keeping his eyes down field.
You get poor offensive play, and a QB that gets happy feet, you're going to get a lot of sacks, knockdowns, etc. Of course its not all Weeden's fault. And I'm not even saying its his fault we got beat. I'm saying that he lacks the good things you want to SEE from a QB. He lacks poise, doesn't go through his progressions fast enough, has extremely slow DA feet in the pocket(maybe even worse than DA), doesn't notice mismatches, is erratic, terrible accuracy, forces the ball in double coverage.
I just don't get what there's to be encouraged about Weeden. I just see a relatively big guy, that can throw the ball deep. We had DA once, and I don't care to ever have him back again.
There's a reason why guys like Manning don't get hit that much. It has nothing to do with blocking, it has to do with recognizing mismatches, and soft coverages, and getting to that guy fast.
Teams are going to keep bringing the heat on Weeden until he proves he capable of adjusting to it. He often looks rattled and confused. I saw Tom Brady get the snot beat out of him yesterday by poor blocking, but still rallying the team together and pull out a win.
Good QB's figure it out. Weeden's just not good.
The blocking was far from good. But Weeden did this a lot last year, and even when the blocking held up fine. And a lot times he still anticipates pressure coming, instead of standing tall in the pocket, and keeping his eyes down field.
You get poor offensive play, and a QB that gets happy feet, you're going to get a lot of sacks, knockdowns, etc. Of course its not all Weeden's fault. And I'm not even saying its his fault we got beat. I'm saying that he lacks the good things you want to SEE from a QB. He lacks poise, doesn't go through his progressions fast enough, has extremely slow DA feet in the pocket(maybe even worse than DA), doesn't notice mismatches, is erratic, terrible accuracy, forces the ball in double coverage.
I just don't get what there's to be encouraged about Weeden. I just see a relatively big guy, that can throw the ball deep. We had DA once, and I don't care to ever have him back again.
There's a reason why guys like Manning don't get hit that much. It has nothing to do with blocking, it has to do with recognizing mismatches, and soft coverages, and getting to that guy fast.
Teams are going to keep bringing the heat on Weeden until he proves he capable of adjusting to it. He often looks rattled and confused. I saw Tom Brady get the snot beat out of him yesterday by poor blocking, but still rallying the team together and pull out a win.
Good QB's figure it out. Weeden's just not good.
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How bout rg3 manning up to his bad performance tonight. What did weeden say yesterday. Oh I thought I did some good things out there. Griffin came out and said he stunk in the first half. I don't think that weeden has ever said he played bad. Talk about being a leader abd owning up to his bad play
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