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Brandon Weeden: GTFO!!
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
ESPN QBR - AFCN - Week 1
#2 Andy Dalton, CIN - 91.8
#21 Joe Flacco, BAL - 34.4
#24 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT - 25.5
#27 Brandon Weeden, CLE - 16.2
(Prior to MNF)
ESPN QBR - AFCN - Week 1
#2 Andy Dalton, CIN - 91.8
#21 Joe Flacco, BAL - 34.4
#24 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT - 25.5
#27 Brandon Weeden, CLE - 16.2
(Prior to MNF)
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
About how many times Miami blitzed us:
When Gordon comes back teams won't be able to do that.. Also, Weeden was solid last year against the blitz.
About how many times Miami blitzed us:
When Gordon comes back teams won't be able to do that.. Also, Weeden was solid last year against the blitz.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
He threw 2 TDs to 7 INTs when blitzed, and completed a mere 41% of his passes.
I wouldn't call that "solid".
He threw 2 TDs to 7 INTs when blitzed, and completed a mere 41% of his passes.
I wouldn't call that "solid".
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
"Solid" is a longtime Cleveland-fan euphemism for "shitty."
"Solid" is a longtime Cleveland-fan euphemism for "shitty."
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Didn't stop them last year, it won't this year.
They're going to blitz him all year, with good reason.
Didn't stop them last year, it won't this year.
They're going to blitz him all year, with good reason.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Since when is Gordon the second coming of Randy Moss? The dude is very talented, and shows promise to be a really, really good receiver. I give you that, but teams aren't adjusting their entire defensive schemes, and game plans around him. Even if he becomes that good, they'll start double teaming him, forcing Weeden to go elsewhere.
Are we relying on one receiver to make or break Weeden's career? He'll still force balls into double coverage, he'll still have clumsy footwork, and he'll still be playing the position on his back, because teams have no respect with his ability to handle pressure coming off the edge. Anytime he senses pressure coming, Weeden is pretty much anticipating a sack, or dancing around the pocket before its even there.
That's not a result of just bad blocking. That's a result of a young(our case old) QB that clearly is uncomfortable, and can't perform when there's some heat put on him. The sacks will continue. I don't care who they replace at G.
Teams don't fear blitzing Weeden at all! He's shown the complete inability to handle it at all. A lot of sacks, knock downs, and hits are coming if that's the case.
Teams fear blitzing Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers for a good reason. They know more times than not those guys will shred holes in their secondary, like a good QB is suppose to do.
Since when is Gordon the second coming of Randy Moss? The dude is very talented, and shows promise to be a really, really good receiver. I give you that, but teams aren't adjusting their entire defensive schemes, and game plans around him. Even if he becomes that good, they'll start double teaming him, forcing Weeden to go elsewhere.
Are we relying on one receiver to make or break Weeden's career? He'll still force balls into double coverage, he'll still have clumsy footwork, and he'll still be playing the position on his back, because teams have no respect with his ability to handle pressure coming off the edge. Anytime he senses pressure coming, Weeden is pretty much anticipating a sack, or dancing around the pocket before its even there.
That's not a result of just bad blocking. That's a result of a young(our case old) QB that clearly is uncomfortable, and can't perform when there's some heat put on him. The sacks will continue. I don't care who they replace at G.
Teams don't fear blitzing Weeden at all! He's shown the complete inability to handle it at all. A lot of sacks, knock downs, and hits are coming if that's the case.
Teams fear blitzing Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers for a good reason. They know more times than not those guys will shred holes in their secondary, like a good QB is suppose to do.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
The good quarterbacks WANT to be blitzed. They're saying please blitz, give me those one-on-one matchups. When Bernie was in his prime he murdered blitzes. That's the last QB we had who could consistently tear apart a blitz.
The good quarterbacks WANT to be blitzed. They're saying please blitz, give me those one-on-one matchups. When Bernie was in his prime he murdered blitzes. That's the last QB we had who could consistently tear apart a blitz.
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Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread
Exactly. The great QBs love to be blitzed and thrive against it because they know they can beat it. It takes coverage away, leaves people open and they feel very confident that they can get the ball out in time.
The reason why Weeden is blitzed and he struggles is because he's slow as molasses on the field. His footwork is slow, his reads are slow, he's slow getting the ball out unless it's drawn up that way, etc. Putting pressure on a guy who needs all day to work is how to beat him. Even the extra time in the gun can't save him from himself. When Weeden gets pressured, he craps the bed and makes bad decisions/forces passes. Yes, he can throw a really nice pass when he can sit back there and deliver it comfortably but that's just it... good defenses know not to let him do that.
Weeden just isn't very good and the knocks on him are no different than they were in his draft profile. He has all the arm tools but doesn't have it going upstairs (in a football sense). What was going through his head Sunday when it was 4th and 8 and rather than heave a desperation pass that has a 10% chance of working, he throws the ball out of bounds and lets Miami ice it? It's a small example but things like that happen all the time and go to illustrate a greater point... his football IQ isn't high.
He's probably our best option at this point but I'd be beyond stunned if didn't draft a replacement first thing in 2014 barring a sudden change in his capabilities. If we had a legitimate option in our laps last year via the draft, I don't even know that it would've ever gotten this far. He's done.
Exactly. The great QBs love to be blitzed and thrive against it because they know they can beat it. It takes coverage away, leaves people open and they feel very confident that they can get the ball out in time.
The reason why Weeden is blitzed and he struggles is because he's slow as molasses on the field. His footwork is slow, his reads are slow, he's slow getting the ball out unless it's drawn up that way, etc. Putting pressure on a guy who needs all day to work is how to beat him. Even the extra time in the gun can't save him from himself. When Weeden gets pressured, he craps the bed and makes bad decisions/forces passes. Yes, he can throw a really nice pass when he can sit back there and deliver it comfortably but that's just it... good defenses know not to let him do that.
Weeden just isn't very good and the knocks on him are no different than they were in his draft profile. He has all the arm tools but doesn't have it going upstairs (in a football sense). What was going through his head Sunday when it was 4th and 8 and rather than heave a desperation pass that has a 10% chance of working, he throws the ball out of bounds and lets Miami ice it? It's a small example but things like that happen all the time and go to illustrate a greater point... his football IQ isn't high.
He's probably our best option at this point but I'd be beyond stunned if didn't draft a replacement first thing in 2014 barring a sudden change in his capabilities. If we had a legitimate option in our laps last year via the draft, I don't even know that it would've ever gotten this far. He's done.