Brandon Weeden: GTFO!!

[AZ_]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Norv isn't just going to bullshit the media guys.

I mean, the hard-hitting Cleveland Browns beat writers aren't going to stand for that kind of BSing.

Norv clearly has total confidence in Weeden, as evidenced by his trust in him to throw the ball down the field as often as he does.

 

[Soda]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

All of those interceptions were Weeden's fault. He threw 3 picks. Trying to justify those picks, is being bias.

He'll probably throw a few more Sunday. But somehow it'll be everyone's fault, but Weeden.

If people want to support him, fine by me. Don't try to convince me that a smell turd actually smells like a bed of fresh roses though.

He has fault in them for certain, but there is bias in saying that it's all his fault as well. Balls that hit the hands of the receiver/the receiver's body and bounce to a defender are catchable balls. Receivers' jobs are to catch the ball, especially when it's catchable. Attributing all of the fault on Weeden is just as dumb as putting it all on the receivers, line, etc.

 

[CPK]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

He has fault in them for certain, but there is bias in saying that it's all his fault as well. Balls that hit the hands of the receiver/the receiver's body and bounce to a defender are catchable balls. Receivers' jobs are to catch the ball, especially when it's catchable. Attributing all of the fault on Weeden is just as dumb as putting it all on the receivers, line, etc.

This is true but I have to say, the announcers were giving Cameron flack for not catching the ball that went for an INT. The kid has pretty good hands. He demonstrated so in preseason with some nice catches especially. However, the play where the ball went off his hand, not hands, was well behind him enough that he barely got his hand on the ball. His momentum was going the opposite way because of his route and unless you had Shaq hands I just don't see how you catch that ball. As an NFL QB you have to be able to hit your guys in some type of stride and Weeden keeps showing me he can't do that at all. I watch other teams quarterbacks hit their guys in stride and they get extra yards because the throw was on target and they can then make a move after the fact.

I keep seeing Weeden's throws not do that at all. I keep seeing our guys have to adjust to catch the ball and basically get tackled after. Does he make some good throws? Absolutely. But is he often off more than not? I really think so - and you just can't succeed that way. Derek Anderson was the same way and it didn't go well for him either.

 

[NtG]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Get a grip people, it was one bad game after looking excellent throughout the preseason. At least get to week 4 before we start talking about the draft/ replacing Weeden.

 

[CPK]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Get a grip people, it was one bad game after looking excellent throughout the preseason. At least get to week 4 before we start talking about the draft/ replacing Weeden.

See, to me, you either make the plays or you don't. We've made excuses like this for other players. Either you are the guy that makes the right throw, the right decision or you are the guy that everyone continues to hope he learns how to do it.

I'm all for saying players can grow and learn, they do, but at the same point you either have it or you don't have it. I've seen too many later 1st rounds picks, 2nd rounders, even later picked guys elevate their teams and I'm just not seeing that with Brandon right now. Nor did I see it last year.

This team needs a quality QB. I hope Weeden can turn it around, and maybe he will, but I'm just not so hopeful.

 

[Phills14]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

The downfield throw to Benjamin was 100% Weeden. Awful decision to throw to an undersized Benjamin who didn't beat his defender and had a safety on him as well. The only reason to throw to Benjamin more than 5 yards down the field is if he's got a couple of steps on the defender and the ball is far out enough that only he can get it. He has the capability of blowing by people but it seems like every time they throw that route he's stride for stride with the defender. I don't understand that.

The Greg Little throw was 100% on Greg Little. The ball hit him in his hands. He wasn't over extended. The ball wasn't too high or too low. It was in a place where only Little can catch it and NFL receivers make that catch 9 times out of 10.

The Cameron throw was 100% Weeden. The ball was a rocket high and behind Cameron. Yes Cameron got a hand on it but he was reaching behind him with all of his momentum going in the other direction. That pass wasn't going to be completed no matter who the receiver was.

 

[godfather]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

He has fault in them for certain, but there is bias in saying that it's all his fault as well. Balls that hit the hands of the receiver/the receiver's body and bounce to a defender are catchable balls. Receivers' jobs are to catch the ball, especially when it's catchable. Attributing all of the fault on Weeden is just as dumb as putting it all on the receivers, line, etc.

There's no moral victories in football, and there's no way of taking away interceptions. All QB's will have a few picks here, and there where the receiver could have done a better job. The fact we have fans trying to take away interceptions he threw, to me, is desperation at its worst.

You can't take away interceptions. He threw three of them, bottom line. It's the job of the QB to throw the ball accurately, and which he clearly didn't on all three of those throws! All three were poorly thrown balls/decisions.

Whether the receiver could, or couldn't have done more isn't the point. If the QB is expecting the receiver to bail him out every play, then Lord help us, we're in trouble.

 

[godfather]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Get a grip people, it was one bad game after looking excellent throughout the preseason. At least get to week 4 before we start talking about the draft/ replacing Weeden.

Just stop. I'll take one NFL GAME as judgment, over 50 preseason games, on whether or not a QB looks good. Colt McCoy was BLAZING in preseason years ago when he won the starting job. He was even picked as a breakout player by ESPN pundits. Preseason definitely means a lot. It means literally NOTHING almost then when it comes to seeing how good or not a player is ready to be come the start of the season. The preseason doesn't come close to the intensity, physicality, speed, and advance play calling as a regular season game.

And it's not one game, it's 17 to be exact. 17 games that we've had to watch Weeden, and the overall verdict is terrible.

 

[Triplethreat]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Jesus I hate Browns fans...

 

[AZ_]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Jesus I hate Browns fans...

I know, right?

Weeden is still young, so much room to improve.

He'll get it going eventually, just wait for it. Just an unlimited ceiling.

 

[Binkster]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I know, right?

Weeden is still young, so much room to improve.

He'll get it going eventually, just wait for it. Just an unlimited ceiling.

I'm not arguing your logic, but I'd be interested to hear your stance if he were to somehow throw for something like 300+, 3TD, 0 int in a blowout Sunday.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but we're a game in. Tom Brady hasn't exactly looked like Superman through two weeks.

Weeds isn't Brady, but they all have their peaks and troughs.

 

[AZ_]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I'm not arguing your logic, but I'd be interested to hear your stance if he were to somehow throw for something like 300+, 3TD, 0 int in a blowout Sunday.

I'm not saying it's going to happen, but we're a game in. Tom Brady hasn't exactly looked like Superman through two weeks.

Weeds isn't Brady, but they all have their peaks and troughs.

I'd gladly say good game, and reiterate that he needs to be consistent in that type of performance to keep his job.

 

[Tornicade]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

Jimmy Johnson, 2 time super bowl coach said you cant tell anything about a team from game 1 due to the nature of the game. The Cowboys kicked off the 93 season with a 35-16 loss and 4 turnovers. Followed by another loss.

The Browns started off 0-5 last year. They were 5-3 last year when rushing for more than 100 yards. Last time Weedon had so many turnovers in a game he followed it up with 350+ yard performance.

Browns really need to establish a running game because they dont have a scrambling qb.

Browns went into the 4th quarter and Weeden was sacked 4 times on three possessions and had a 20 yard play killed by offensive holding.

Brandon went 10-21 for 114 yards with no turnovers in the 4th quarter (down 13-10) with 2 20 yard pass plays on different possessions lost due to offensive penalties. This was certainly a winnable game for the Browns.

This was Weedons 3rd game in 16 with 3 or more interceptions. He had 2 last year. That certianly needs to be addressed but weedons performance wasnt the primary factor in the Browns week 1 loss.

 

[The Oi]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

That's what's known as polishing a turd.

 

[Phills14]

Re: The Brandon Weeden Thread

I really hope he plays well. He has talent and if the game ever slows down for him he could be a pretty good QB. However; things clearly are moving too fast for him to process and he's making major mistakes as a result. Time will tell but the 1st 16 games of the Brandon Weeden era are pointing us in a different direction.